What do you guys think of the Minneapolis shooting?

Its sad

Though mine is just a crude observations on what could be done in theory, I dont want to character assassinate the guy that got killed. Just putting in thoughts here, also i like to apologize if I touch a senstive subject.

Deport illegal immigrant gang members without a trial, and immigrant paedophiles even the legal ones(There should be no mercy given to the ones that harm kids and cats)

To stop mass shootings. They must ban firearms for anyone. Confiscate guns from everyone including the ones with papers. With the current guns vs population ratio. Its only going to get nastier with more mentally unstable ICE worker or an unstable left/right arming themselves and getting into a civil war. Civil wars only help the people on top(the rulers who want to divide and conquer)

Just outlaw guns for everyone and the major crimes will go down. Petty crimes have been part of every society that can be addressed later.

Also create a law to penalize drugs and do the real war on drugs unlike Pat Nixon

Stop abusing H-1B visas to hire IT mill workers to cut costs. Use it for what it used to be for back in the 90s. Use it to attract only the best of best from every country.
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As for the left, go back to the grassroots. Get back into teamsters and unions your real vote base. Not debate how many genders and how children should think. Being normal is fine and there is nothing wrong in being a "deviant". Probably they must learn to treat everyone equally. Trans or straight, its the same and Darwinism will take care of the rest

indianmojojojo said:

Deport illegal immigrant gang members without a trial, and immigrant paedophiles even the legal ones

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I get the sentiment, but if you deport people without a trial, what is stop the government from deporting anyone without trial and just claiming they were in a gang? The trial is how you would determine if they were actually in a gang, rather than just deporting anyone with a tattoo because they "look illegal".

Berry Scary said:

I get the sentiment, but if you deport people without a trial, what is stop the government from deporting anyone without trial and just claiming they were in a gang? The trial is how you would determine if they were actually in a gang, rather than just deporting anyone with a tattoo because they "look illegal".

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Yes I get your point. Most of them are just corrupt. Wont work in reality.

Also only less than 5% of the criminals are deported. The data looks bad. They are going to loose the mid-terms in a few months.

Ps: I have got long tattoos on both my hands. I also understand what you mean. I get glares from random strangers

indianmojojojo said:

Yes I get your point. Most of them are just corrupt. Wont work in reality.

Also only less than 5% of the criminals are deported. The data looks bad. They are going to loose the mid-terms in a few months.

Ps: I have got long tattoos on both my hands. I also understand what you mean. I get glares from random strangers

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I agree, it looks really bad for them. A lot of people that were more in favor of the mass deportations originally are starting to feel like they are going too far. It doesn't help that the government was clearly desperate to hire anyone to join ICE to boost numbers, because they're now stuck with a bunch of untrained, trigger-happy army rejects who pepper spray people for arguing at them. Most of them seem to have no actual idea on how to deescalate situations or handle things like adults.

And now this stuff about guns is getting ridiculous. So many children have died in school shootings in the US and the government has always said "Oh, there's nothing we can do about this, thoughts and prayers". Now one guy legally brings a gun to a protest against their government and they suddenly want to talk about gun control? It's all an absolute joke.

The guy probably should not have been shot, but he should not have put himself in that situation. ICE is not randomly kidnapping people. Many of these crazies are defending pedos just because they are brown, and white Karens need to feel like the saviors of the "lesser" people.

It's a twisted view. The rapists are not misunderstood. The gang members are not good boys. And no, the brown people are not lesser. The racist Karens who protect them just because of their race are the ones who believe they are lesser.

"A Somalian anally raping a 5-year-old girl is not a crime, it's just a cultural difference."

The politicians and media outlets who defend illegal immigration don't actually think it's good for the country; they think it's good for their bank accounts and future elections.

Maybe if the UK had ICE, it wouldn't have thousands of underage victims still waiting for justice because of a massive governmental cover-up.

I'm saying this as someone who absolutely despises the police. I think they are some of the most horribly corrupt and evil people on Earth.

Know your rights, exercise your rights, but let them take out the trash.

I wish we had ICE in Canada.

Word Wizard said:

Know your rights, exercise your rights, but let them take out the trash.

I wish we had ICE in Canada.

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I wish we had ICE in Australia
maybe alot of the shit that goes on there, wouldn't.

Seen the new video?

jimbobo2779 said:

Looking around, I doubt this tbh. I don't want to make myself persona non grata round here so I'm staying out of this but it is a very contentious issue that has a lot of people's emotions up.

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I think that’s fair. Really it could go either way.

Octavia said:

Seen the new video?

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What’s the new video?

Octavia said:

Seen the new video?

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Interesting mix of opinions and the more you hear about this case, the more unbelievable it becomes that they fucking shot at a guy A Nurse. With no criminal record, ten times point blank when it's clear as day they absolutely didn't need to. That is murder. Absolutely no justice has been served. Not even so much as an apology. I get that the immigration problem in Europe and North America might be getting out of hand, but if you want this level of extremity imported let that all sink in for a second first.

That being said, would be good to hear some level-headed opinion from American members on it all if there are any.

You know the nurse the week before spat at ice officers and smashed the fuck out of one of the cars?

The not so innocent guy he's being made out to be.

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t2van said:

You know the nurse the week before spat at ice officers and smashed the fuck out of one of the cars?

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Not specifically seen this angle, although I did hear about the incident in general here which would make you wonder what happened but, latest I read was this:

'Pretti’s name was known to federal agents, according to a source – though it’s unclear whether the new intake form was used to share his information before the shooting occured'.

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Has anything been confirmed since then?

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2016618176843284738

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ah yes
ONLY A TRAFFIC TICKET

Guys, u can assault & kick out federal agents tail lights cuz u only get a traffic ticket !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cunt was probably high on crack
good riddance

ggmopa said:

Interesting mix of opinions and the more you hear about this case, the more unbelievable it becomes that they fucking shot at a guy A Nurse. With no criminal record, ten times point blank when it's clear as day they absolutely didn't need to. That is murder. Absolutely no justice has been served. Not even so much as an apology. I get that the immigration problem in Europe and North America might be getting out of hand, but if you want this level of extremity imported let that all sink in for a second first.

That being said, would be good to hear some level-headed opinion from American members on it all if there are any.

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Yeah, the mix of opinions on here is funny, but it's good to see. I think it's important to see other viewpoints to have a better understanding of situations.

I don't want to write off people that have different opinions to me as dumb or crazy, because it's not healthy and it just narrows your world view. It's better to take the time to understand why people have their beliefs, even if you never agree.

The thing about this situation that bothers me the most is the instant defensiveness from the government about it. They were immediately looking for any reason to justify why the guy died before they even knew the full situation. They were never going to be willing to admit that they did something wrong. Even if they were justified in this instant (I don't believe they were but others do) there will likely be more cases like this and they will never want to take accountability for the situation.

Berry Scary said:

Yeah, the mix of opinions on here is funny, but it's good to see. I think it's important to see other viewpoints to have a better understanding of situations.

I don't want to write off people that have different opinions to me as dumb or crazy, because it's not healthy and it just narrows your world view. It's better to take the time to understand why people have their beliefs, even if you never agree.

The thing about this situation that bothers me the most is the instant defensiveness from the government about it. They were immediately looking for any reason to justify why the guy died before they even knew the full situation. They were never going to be willing to admit that they did something wrong. Even if they were justified in this instant (I don't believe they were but others do) there will likely be more cases like this and they will never want to take accountability for the situation.

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I get your reply.

But you can't deny he's got a past dealing with Ice and being "anti social"

He brought a gun the 3rd time around.

It's America. Outcome is obvious.

I don't see the problem.

He fucked around and found out. It's obvious.

Otherwise jusity taking a gun having escalated events previously.

I'm happy to listen.

Berry Scary said:

Yeah, the mix of opinions on here is funny, but it's good to see. I think it's important to see other viewpoints to have a better understanding of situations.

I don't want to write off people that have different opinions to me as dumb or crazy, because it's not healthy and it just narrows your world view. It's better to take the time to understand why people have their beliefs, even if you never agree.

The thing about this situation that bothers me the most is the instant defensiveness from the government about it. They were immediately looking for any reason to justify why the guy died before they even knew the full situation. They were never going to be willing to admit that they did something wrong. Even if they were justified in this instant (I don't believe they were but others do) there will likely be more cases like this and they will never want to take accountability for the situation.

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Yeah I don't really do politics but economically, their budget shot up from 10 to $85 Billion already! Seems regardless of the actual rights and wrong of the incident, admitting any potential fault sounds like it would be a very expensive mistake for trump both politically and economically and basically might even legally pressure them to reform things working under DHS.

t2van said:

I get your reply.

But you can't deny he's got a past dealing with Ice and being "anti social"

He brought a gun the 3rd time around.

It's America. Outcome is obvious.

I don't see the problem.

He fucked around and found out. It's obvious.

Otherwise jusity taking a gun having escalated events previously.

I'm happy to listen.

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I read through my message again, and I think it kind of looks like I'm making indirect digs at others. It's not my intention though, I'm actually writing about that because it was how I used to think. I make an effort now to not jump to that type of conclusion because I'd rather try to get the full picture of things.

I don't know much about the guy's past, and tbh I feel like it doesn't really matter. I know ICE didn't recognize the guy when they shot him; this is stuff that they dug up post mortem to justify the shooting, which is what I think is seriously fucked up. As for carrying the gun around, not something I would personally do but I'm fairly sure it's more normalized in the US to do that kind of thing. I don't think they had the right to shoot him just because he carried a gun, given that it doesn't seem like it was ever even unholstered. But then again, I know these types of situations can be high-stress and it's hard to gauge the danger when you are in that situation.
Again, I mentioned this before, but all of these ICE agents seem seriously untrained and unable to actually deescalate issues without resorting to unnecessary force. It mostly just seems like incredible negligence on the part of the government (but who expects better from a government anyway).

ggmopa said:

Yeah I don't really do politics but economically, their budget shot up from 10 to $85 Billion already! Seems regardless of the actual rights and wrong of the incident, admitting any potential fault sounds like it would be a very expensive mistake for trump both politically and economically and basically might even legally pressure them to reform things working under DHS.

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Yeah, it seems we're of the same opinion here. It seems like radical and uncontrolled growth of a department and any mistakes that are made need to be covered up otherwise the massive increase in funds will look really bad for them. It looks like they only care about covering their own hides and don't care about the risks to lives, civilians or otherwise.