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roydan said:
Thanks for the clarification. Insightful as always.
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This
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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/october-2025-updates-to-the-hire-a-freelancer-want-to-buy-sections.1768195/
 
Rem said:
This
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https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/october-2025-updates-to-the-hire-a-freelancer-want-to-buy-sections.1768195/
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Oh, yeah.. this was stupid AF lol
 
Like scammers are going g to publicly post their other platform name ...
 
i remember bringing this up before last year
and i gotten a response
"no, take too much effort"
alrighty ok
 
Rem said:
i remember bringing this up before last year
and i gotten a response
"no, take too much effort"
alrighty ok
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Hey make a post on similar topic in an hour.

😆
 
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Octavia said:
Like scammers are going g to publicly post their other platform name ...
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I don't understand. I am a seller in BHW for past 10 years.

All I am saying is since this rules were introduced they are hurting everybody who is trying to do legit business there.

It seems like every day brings new absurd restrictions that only hurt the community.

The statistics speak volumes: the forum has become a ghost town.

They said they did this to reduce scams, but guess what? Scammers just remained and farmed the post count while legit people have to move away.

As a result, I have decided not to renew my subscription and will be leaving the community because this is absurd!
 
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Abdul123 said:
As a result, I have decided not to renew my subscription and will be leaving the community because this is absurd!
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Make sure you leave in style.

Mail all your clients tell them where to find you now.

Go out glory
 
Preying Mantis said:
Check their TOS bro in rule 22. Same company called DotCom in England. https://www.blackhatworld.com/help/terms/

Check the Uk company gov site. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/c

Same owner and same address bro.
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Then why is he allowing this shit?

I'm curious about how their internal meetings look when they discuss these kinds of things.
I mean, isn't anyone there with common sense who thinks, "Guys, what we're doing isn't okay"?

Or maybe they just don't care as long as there’s someone to fill their pockets by buying VIP.

I just don't get it. Why ruin something that was already good?
 
Abdul123 said:
Then why is he allowing this shit?

I'm curious about how their internal meetings look when they discuss these kinds of things.
I mean, isn't anyone there with common sense who thinks, "Guys, what we're doing isn't okay"?

Or maybe they just don't care as long as there’s someone to fill their pockets by buying VIP.

I just don't get it. Why ruin something that was already good?
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This is a progression every business goes through at some point. It strikes at different times but it does happen to all.

The driving factor can and often vary for every business. However, most of it comes down to money or rather time / cost. Decisions are made in the interest of the company rather than the members or it's customers.

Recent (and im no longer a member there, so I can only comment based on what I see posted here as and when) changes to the TOS are done to limit customer service time. The more time staff spend on one thing the less they spend on another so they try to bring in a "new policy" or "changes" that make sense to all those internally but mean nothing to the users or the customers.

Simply they have lost touched with the user base.

Changes are not driven by the growth of the consumer or in this case the community but rather favour internal policies and procedures.

This often allows a competitor to come to light or to take advantage in some cases can lead to the original companies downfall*, this is exactly how and why competition happens.


*personally I cant see this being BHW downfall. They would need both sellers and buyers to leave and vote with their feet in numbers and at the same time, what will probably happen is 1 or 2 get pissed off and stop selling, and this opens up to other providers filling the gap.
 
Abdul123 said:
Just to give you some context, in all the years I've been on this platform, I've never made as little money as I have in the past few months. It's been completely terrible.
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Could be other factors. Depending on what you sell.

- Competition
- AI
- Time of year
- Target customer and whats going on in that country, i.e cost of living etc

Do you just sell on there? or do you have an email list or any other market you can tap into?

Abdul123 said:
So, my logic tells me that if traffic is decreasing significantly, it is likely to impact the company's earnings as well, unless I'm wrong
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They dont care a % of sales? So doubtful, it depends when the biggest point of renewals are going on.
 
t2van said:
They dont care a % of sales? So doubtful, it depends when the biggest point of renewals are going on.
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and ads, pinned BSTs, it's not just renewals I think.
 
t2van said:
Could be other factors. Depending on what you sell.

- Competition
- AI
- Time of year
- Target customer and whats going on in that country, i.e cost of living etc

Do you just sell on there? or do you have an email list or any other market you can tap into?


They dont care a % of sales? So doubtful, it depends when the biggest point of renewals are going on.
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To clarify, I sell in multiple places, but I've been tracking everything very carefully
Specifically, clients coming from BHW have been extremely low in both numbers and quality, like never before

For example:
I recently spent 3-4 hours talking to one guy. I showed him past references and completed projects, clarified all the details for the project and even made a trip to my office on my day off to record some videos as he requested.
He asked for my payment details but ultimately never paid.
I followed up a day later, but he left me on seen.

This is the kind of people BHW brings nowadays only scammers and time-wasters

Although I have other sources of income, I feel like it’s no longer worth being part of the community.

From a business perspective, I’ve paid for some privileges like BST, VIP, etc., but I’m getting nothing in return.

I will probably stick around as a regular member just to see how things develop.

Anyways, what I was trying to find out is why on earth they took those decisions, as they are definitely going in the wrong direction.
 
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If I may give my two cents: it does seem to have represented a 'great blackhat hope' in the past from what I can see. But that era is over.

Today, everyone is vibecoding and using AI for content curation. Everyone is on big SM and job listing sites for freelancers and outsourcing - sites with better quality control, everyone can see through the bots continously spinning and making posts one the same topics and one line comment spam to make the site look active, the mods are way too quick to ban people to point it feels negligent, and there are more blackhat forums actually out their for more 'proper' blackhat stuff. So what what incentives are they giving anyone to stay?

In a nutshell, I don't think there are any. They are clinging in this image the site has cultivated over success of legacy strategies and methods that might have worked during some legacy era, but don't really hold as much weight anymore. Watch out for 'lifetime' memberships. That would probably be a sign it's done for good before they pull the plug or sell up!
 
ggmopa said:
If I may give my two cents: it does seem to have represented a 'great blackhat hope' in the past from what I can see. But that era is over.

Today, everyone is vibecoding and using AI for content curation. Everyone is on big SM and job listing sites for freelancers and outsourcing - sites with better quality control, everyone can see through the bots continously spinning and making posts one the same topics and one line comment spam to make the site look active, the mods are way too quick to ban people to point it feels negligent, and there are more blackhat forums actually out their for more 'proper' blackhat stuff. So what what incentives are they giving anyone to stay?

In a nutshell, I don't think there are any. They are clinging in this image the site has cultivated over success of legacy strategies and methods that might have worked during some legacy era, but don't really hold as much weight anymore. Watch out for 'lifetime' memberships. That would probably be a sign it's done for good before they pull the plug or sell up!
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True, the only thing this platform has right now is its brand name and the reputation it once held.

But at the same time, it was a sweet spot for those operating in a gray area because if you’re selling something like PBN packages, FB accounts or whatever gray service, you probably wouldn’t want to do that on mainstream sites.

This was the appeal of it to me.
Anyway, things change, and maybe for the better😁
 
It's OO time i think.
Abdul123 said:
But at the same time, it was a sweet spot for those operating in a gray area because if you’re selling something like PBN packages, FB accounts or whatever gray service, you probably wouldn’t want to do that on mainstream sites.
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And now they have also closed some grey services!
 
Abdul123 said:
To clarify, I sell in multiple places, but I've been tracking everything very carefully
Specifically, clients coming from BHW have been extremely low in both numbers and quality, like never before

For example:
I recently spent 3-4 hours talking to one guy. I showed him past references and completed projects, clarified all the details for the project and even made a trip to my office on my day off to record some videos as he requested.
He asked for my payment details but ultimately never paid.
I followed up a day later, but he left me on seen.

This is the kind of people BHW brings nowadays only scammers and time-wasters

Although I have other sources of income, I feel like it’s no longer worth being part of the community.

From a business perspective, I’ve paid for some privileges like BST, VIP, etc., but I’m getting nothing in return.

I will probably stick around as a regular member just to see how things develop.

Anyways, what I was trying to find out is why on earth they took those decisions, as they are definitely going in the wrong direction.
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Had same problem... People disappearing when payment was supposed to happen 😂. Some dude even told me he waits for his salary 😂 and then disappeared 😂. I'm open to the suggestion that *I* just suck, but other places don't have leads that crappy 😂. Eventually stopped trying to sell anything there before my jr vip expired. Interesting that you had the same problem, I thought I was insane.

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Someone claims you're my alt account @Abdul123 , no idea why 😂
 
Do I look like Abdul to you???? @INCC 😂 Omg, is having multiple traffic sources / selling elsewhere than bhw so uncommon on bhw that someone mentioning this instantly gets classified as me? Most people here sell on bhw only? I remember @roydan doesn't sell on bhw at all and has his own traffic, no? @Aidan same. @t2van as much as he pisses me off, he does his own SEO, right? And now he tries to get social media traffic, I remember he looked for social media manager. One seller from bhw I regularly use to resell to my clients has seo, google ads remarketing and bhw thread. Nr 1 thing I like here on oo is that we're allowed to discuss other places so that at least gives some chance of building a lasting business that *includes* OO as a traffic source rather than being closed in some cult.
 
SilverClouds said:
I remember @roydan doesn't sell on bhw at all and has his own traffic, no?
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Yep. I wouldn't say that I have my own traffic but my business has nothing to do with BHW (or OO for that matter).
 
SilverClouds said:
Had same problem... People disappearing when payment was supposed to happen 😂. Some dude even told me he waits for his salary 😂 and then disappeared 😂. I'm open to the suggestion that *I* just suck, but other places don't have leads that crappy 😂. Eventually stopped trying to sell anything there before my jr vip expired. Interesting that you had the same problem, I thought I was insane.

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Someone claims you're my alt account @Abdul123 , no idea why 😂
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When I get 2-3 such people from BHW sliding into my DMs in a day, it really drains the life out of me.
What I usually do is shut everything down and watch a movie; that's a better use of my time.

SilverClouds said:
Do I look like Abdul to you???? @INCC 😂 Omg, is having multiple traffic sources / selling elsewhere than bhw so uncommon on bhw that someone mentioning this instantly gets classified as me? Most people here sell on bhw only? I remember @roydan doesn't sell on bhw at all and has his own traffic, no? @Aidan same. @t2van as much as he pisses me off, he does his own SEO, right? And now he tries to get social media traffic, I remember he looked for social media manager. One seller from bhw I regularly use to resell to my clients has seo, google ads remarketing and bhw thread. Nr 1 thing I like here on oo is that we're allowed to discuss other places so that at least gives some chance of building a lasting business that *includes* OO as a traffic source rather than being closed in some cult.
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No we are not the same person lol.:ROFLMAO:

But I will say this: there are a couple of individuals over there who love to kiss the current administration's ass and praise every bad decision they make. Just because things work for you doesn't mean they work for everybody (not implying or referring to anyone in particular).

And the funny thing is, some of them are neither buyers nor sellers, but they love to give opinions about how the marketplace should look and what rules should or shouldn't be enforced.

What can I say? People who have nothing better to do...

t0mmy said:
Just adding to this as it wouldn’t let me edit.



It’s insane looking on there now and seeing how much worse it’s got and even though I knew it was coming and how much I ended up hating DD it’s still sad for me to see as it was my home for over a decade and where I first learned and met good contacts (when it had people like that). I didn’t think it was possible that they could fuck it up even more but boy oh boy have they proved me wrong.

The staff on there now are (I hate this word but it’s bang on) retards, especially the newer ones.. and some older ones like btb I wouldn’t trust to walk my dog for fuck sake - if I’ve said it once I’ve said it a million times and a million times even on bhw to DD back when I was a mod to try to warn him “BTB is a snake”

BTB is fake as fuck it’s surreal more don’t see it until it’s too late, everyone smart on there knew it from I first joined and used to mock him as they seen through his bullshit, the old staff like bz, Zen19, MAD etc.. he used to come into irc wayyyy back in the day and get trolled to death trying to fit in too much, legit intelligent people seen through him easily which always shocked me that DD didn’t and still doesn’t.

The dude literally wrote fake rip off reports about my company years back and I found out so he apologised as I was going to make it all public, when they made him a mod I protested a lot beforehand based on that and other factors, but DD likes yes men that suck the farts from his arse.. which is why myself and him clashed a lot, he hated that I would even call him out in the staff section without a fuck given.
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It's sad that competent people who truly cared about the community have left or gotten fired
 

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