What do you guys think of the Minneapolis shooting?

[29dogs]

I don't know how many of you keep up with what's going on in the US but look.

A second U.S. citizen was killed by federal forces in Minneapolis. Here’s what we know

The fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, the second U.S. citizen to be killed by federal forces in Minnesota this month, has intensified the public outrage over tactics used by immigration agents in the state and united unlikely bedfellows in calling for a full investigation.

www.pbs.org

he fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, the second U.S. citizen to be killed by federal forces in Minnesota this month, has intensified the public outrage over tactics used by immigration agents in the state and united unlikely bedfellows in calling for a full investigation.

Pretti's death Saturday at the hands of federal immigration officers also prompted state and local officials to renew their calls for an end to President Donald Trump's weekslong federal operation in the state.
"How many more residents, how many more Americans need to die or get badly hurt for this operation to end?" Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said at a news conference hours after the shooting. "How many more lives need to be lost before this administration realizes that a political and partisan narrative is not as important as American values?"

Tensions are roiling the Twin Cities weeks after a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent fatally shot Renee Good, a 37-year-old U.S. citizen. Her Jan. 7 shooting death touched off widespread protests in the city as immigration agents continued to fan out into neighborhoods to make their arrests. Saturday's shooting occurred in downtown Minneapolis, less than two miles from where Good was shot.

This is everywhere right now. It's really hard to ignore it.

 

[Berry Scary]

There's so much going on with this crap, so I'm just gonna say that it's a real shit show and leave it at that.

 

[1974Mustang]

Aren't political discussions against the rules here? I have my thoughts on this but just want to be sure.

 

[Avenger]

Aren't political discussions against the rules here? I have my thoughts on this but just want to be sure.

It's allowed so you're good.

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[t2van]

100% fuck around and find out situation.

 

[1974Mustang]

It's allowed so you're good.

Good to know.

I think the situation is one that'll unite a lot of people. The administration immediately trying to label him as a terrorist despite the video footage only made them look worse.

It makes you wonder how many other people this kind of thing has happened to especially in those detention centers and then it doesn't get reported on.

I think a lot of bad times are just around the corner. I was considered myself fortunate that I didn't grow up during the Great Depression but I think this is going to make that look like picnic in comparison.

 

[Zwielicht]

 

[Champagne]

It’s sad that this has become the norm nowadays. Shootings were always there, but they seem to have become much more frequent.

 

[t2van]

It’s sad that this has become the norm nowadays. Shootings were always there, but they seem to have become much more frequent.

Nah its just not that.

Look at that age group or the type of person they are. People finding out that real life isn't a social media posting.

 

[ggmopa]

I don't have any stake in this but it's hard to avoid considering it's all over the news here too. And to give a fair view, this is what I made of it:

- Under US law it is claimed Mr. Pretti died while exercising his constitutional right to protest, which is protected by the First Amendment, along with his right to bear arms, which is protected by the Second Amendment. However,

- unlike local Police depts, ICE can stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. But legal permission to enter a home or other private space requires a signed judicial warrant. Agents can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally.

- Since Trump, under the 'big beautiful bill' ICE has seen a massive increase in funding (I read somewhere it's budget is now greater than the entire military expenditure of many countries) and with expansion in both the number of detention centres and agents it has deployed, it is clear that Trump want's to make it loud and clear his administration is doing it's best to follow through with the mass deportation initiative, which was a central promise of Donald Trump's election campaign.

- So on the one hand it might be the case that citizens might not be well informed enough about what kind of special authority ICE, Boarder Patrol etc have that overule their ordinary legal rights, that they then feel are being vilolate and the agents acting illegally. And in addition to this might just be take aback by the increased intensity of these agencies operations under the Trump administration, ensuring people know they intend to follow through with what was proposed for the mass deportation initiative, who's agents are ultimately just following orders and reacting accordingly when met with unjust resistance or even threat - I have seen enough videos of these strong leftist types acting hysterically to know it's a thing. Or maybe they docknow but just want to show maximal resistance to a government the passionately oppose for the sale of it

- On the other hand, in some cases the agents could be abusing their power and be using and unnessecary amount of force, like their equivalent of police brutality

It's a tricky situation that will no doubt work almost entirely on a case by case basis. All I know is I don't envy who's kob it is to figure things out when things get very messy lol

 

[jimbobo2779]

Good to know.

I think the situation is one that'll unite a lot of people.

Looking around, I doubt this tbh. I don't want to make myself persona non grata round here so I'm staying out of this but it is a very contentious issue that has a lot of people's emotions up.

 

[t2van]

Looking around, I doubt this tbh. I don't want to make myself persona non grata round here so I'm staying out of this but it is a very contentious issue that has a lot of people's emotions up.

Speak up don't worry or care what people think here, its a forum end of the day. It's just words and users.

Stay out of anything you don't want to get involved in but don't worry about getting peoples backs up they will make them selfs known here anyway.

As long as you keep it clean, don't go too far political or race bashing free to say whatever you like.

I don't have any stake in this but it's hard to avoid considering it's all over the news here too. And to give a fair view, this is what I made of it:

- Under US law it is claimed Mr. Pretti died while exercising his constitutional right to protest, which is protected by the First Amendment, along with his right to bear arms, which is protected by the Second Amendment. However,

Yeah but he has a permit or a right to carry problem is WHY take it to a protest with the people you want to argue against are going to be armed, anyone there with a weapon is going to cause trouble. They not going to stop and ask if he carrying did he make them aware of it.

It's just messy.

Personally see no difference between the woman driving a car at the agents and guy protesting with a concealed gun.

Not saying anyone right just there's no difference in my opinion.

- On the other hand, in some cases the agents could be abusing their power and be using and unnessecary amount of force, like their equivalent of police brutality

Force is always relative.

It's always the worst one to argue when CCTV/VIDEO is in play. You not there so you never know. It's always going against you right or wrong.

 

[ggmopa]

I'm not taking sides as it's not my fight and there is plenty of video footage of unwarranted aggresion and attacks against agents, but looking at things objectively, in this case in particular, and assuming you've seen one of the fact checked versions such as:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cg4e0r1el5yo

WHY take it to a protest with the people you want to argue against are going to be armed, anyone there with a weapon is going to cause trouble.

To be fair, the liberal attitude in the US toward guns is a world apart to what most in Europe are accustomed to. With that in mind, I don't see why it should be considered particularly shocking someone in this case be carrying a concealed handgun he is said to have legally owned and was well within his rights to carry.

Sure, they are warning protesters not to carry anymore, but consdering I don't think there's a single protest related incident in which anyone has opened fire at an agent, can't help but wonder if the reason is to stop agents themselves from finding am excuse to use disproportionate force, if only to stop the Dept of homeland security looking bad. Because in this instance, the outcome of it is looking particularly bad for them.

Force is always relative.

I don't think this is true, in this case at least - In addition to this video, they say a total of ten shots were fired in the space of five seconds - at least five bullet wounds were confirmed by a medical profession under sworn affidavit against a man who at no point appears to have shown any sign of physical aggression, even in self defence, and is now face down on the ground after getting dogpiled and pepper sprayed. Are you saying this was a relative; proportional use of force?

 

[t2van]

I don't think this is true, in this case at least - In addition to this video, they say a total of ten shots were fired in the space of five seconds - at least five bullet wounds were confirmed by a medical profession under sworn affidavit against a man who at no point appears to have shown any sign of physical aggression, even in self defence, and is now face down on the ground after getting dogpiled and pepper sprayed. Are you saying this was a relative; proportional use of force?

Well it can take more than 1 bullet to stop or hurt somone.

We don't know the calibre nor load of the rounds.

Remember in the UK in the underground it kicked off because the police shot a guy on the tube and was considered overkill but he used low voliciy rounds due to where they are when it took place.

Again not condoning any actions I just get it.

As for force.

If you punch someone when you could slap them is that over use in force? Because if you go to trial or in court it can and has been seen like that.

Or what if you make a fist on camera and hit somone who pushed you.

That excessive force? Or not.

On camera it might and can be.


I'm pro gun. End of the day as I said. Guy went to protest against "officers" who also had guns.

Outcome was obvious.

 

[Rem]

This is everywhere right now. It's really hard to ignore it.

Wouldn't have known if u didnt tell me
but honestly, at the end of the day
instead of acting tough and being a fucking degenerate
just comply and get ur shit sorted.

think of it this way, at the airport
if you refuse to be checked, scanned, touched and what not, and attempt to board the plane
YEES CHECKED MEANS GIVING YOUR PASSPORT & TICKET TO THE OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE FOR VERIFICATION
your gonna get manhandled or even worse, shot at
as simple as that.

so, why the fuck would you do that in the real world, with knowing ICE will 100% shoot you with zero regret.
cuz these fucktards have something to hide
as simple as that.

Yes, being brisked at the airport is annoying, getting stopped cuz your not white is also annoying
but at the end of the day, if you had nothing to hide, or/and you aint being a complete dumbfuck retard, you wouldnt have gotten yourself shot at.

stop blaming ICE for doing their job
their job is to protect the country.
what if ICE knowingly let aliens run around
and then another 911 happens
who u gonan blame now?
oh right, that's also ICE fault for not deporting those fuckers right?

 

[Rem]

The man, later identified as Alex Jeffrey Pretti, was believed to be a "lawful gun owner" with a firearm permit

just FYI
this means fuckall
for you kids who are easily swayed by the media

2025 Bondi Beach shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

this was also done by

"lawful gun owner"

aswell
just resulted in 16 deaths, alot of people injured and shit ton traumatized

 

[ggmopa]

Looks like this might have kicked things off big time. The people are angry including city officials. Apparently Gun Sale Purchase permits in the city have gone up tenfold. Meanwhile Trump has threatened to invoke an 1807 law that will see the entire state under martial law claiming 'The Mayor and the Governor are inciting Insurrection'.