BLACKHAT SEO Expert needed "Pharma Niche" (No Advance or Upfront Payment)

[TDC_Fincorp]

PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO WASTE OUR TIME HOPING OR TRYING TO CONVINCE FOR ANY ADVANCE OR UPFRONT PAYMENT.

We're looking for someone to manage BlackHat SEO task in the Pharma products niche for long term and prefer a Hyper Aggressive Method.

I have many clients using payment options methods supplied by me and they are looking to expand their business / Operations.

This is to be done in order to bring conversions / Orders on the websites. (real orders)

Each client is willing to spend good money (commercials to be discussed first. If feasible and agreed to, need a testing)

You should have experience of Black Hat SEO and not limited to PBN, GP and Parasite Indexing.

IMPORTANT Terms & Requirements:

1: Please do not reply if you do not have Black Hat SEO experience.

2: Need to Deliver Results First for at least 2-3 days or a week is a must. Please do not expect any Upfront /Advance Payment until you’re able to deliver or prove results.

Please do not waste your time and ours too asking for/or expecting any Upfront or advance payment without showing the results.

Thanks.

 

[Dopious]

Dude, start by posting in the right category: https://officeoutlaw.com/forums/wanted-goods-services.76/

 

[SilverClouds]

Honestly not sure why someone would do that rather than start their own pharma brand or work with already established brand that has an affiliate program

 

[TheVigilante]

Did you join just to post this?

 

[roydan]

It's not unreasonable to ask for some work to be done before the payment. At least to prove competency.

 

[SilverClouds]

It's not unreasonable to ask for some work to be done before the payment. At least to prove competency.

You don't have any sort of portfolio / case studies / previous clients results to show? I believe you do. Why work for free for a week on a new project, can't they judge your skills based on previous work that was already paid for by someone else? They use every excuse to get free work from someone . That's how you end up with these 16 hrs workdays and being on stimulants whole day... If you do only paid work (or also unpaid / preparation for your own projects only) your workday shortens dramatically.

I replied to this specifically not only because I usually bitch and complain by default (). I had a bit of health / medical clients and I did research on how to start a pharma brand. It's not as complicated as it might seem. More involved than agency but not impossible, there are companies that'll just glue your branding on these products, supplements are all the same, nothing special or innovative there, it's not like you're doing research for new drugs or anything like that. If I'm supposed to work for free for a stranger I might as well pay the factory to produce supplements under my brand, promote that and keep all profits . I just personally don't think this offer sounds special at all. If you want to do aff for this niche there's shittons of already established aff programs that pay high commissions.

If someone likes it, no problem, work with them.

 

[roydan]

You don't have any sort of portfolio / case studies / previous clients results to show? I believe you do. Why work for free for a week on a new project, can't they judge your skills based on previous work that was already paid for by someone else? They use every excuse to get free work from someone . That's how you end up with these 16 hrs workdays and being on stimulants whole day... If you do only paid work (or also unpaid / preparation for your own projects only) your workday shortens dramatically.

I replied to this specifically not only because I usually bitch and complain by default (). I had a bit of health / medical clients and I did research on how to start a pharma brand. It's not as complicated as it might seem. More involved than agency but not impossible, there are companies that'll just glue your branding on these products, supplements are all the same, nothing special or innovative there, it's not like you're doing research for new drugs or anything like that. If I'm supposed to work for free for a stranger I might as well pay the factory to produce supplements under my brand, promote that and keep all profits . I just personally don't think this offer sounds special at all. If you want to do aff for this niche there's shittons of already established aff programs that pay high commissions.

If someone likes it, no problem, work with them.

With all the case studies in the world, some clients don't want to prepay. This is fine, and whether or not you or I are willing to work on these terms don't make them less legitimate.

You can flip this and ask why would a client pay before they received anything.

Can you do the pharmacy thing yourself? I bet you can. Do you want to be a full-time pharmacist? Neither do I.

I can probably do many of the things my clients do, but I chose marketing because that's the part I'm interested in, not to mention how bad I am at other aspects of business.

On a similar subject, I recently did an experiment with acquiring local SEO clients. Decided to offer a free trial to stubborn prospects that were hesitant to close. Invested 20 minutes on each (fixed the very obvious stuff and saw some position movements) and closed 3/5, one of which was even closed despite the meeting being interrupted by the houthis.

I allow myself to share it here because I'm far from being a BH SEO expert nor would I take a supplement client, so it's not a competency demonstration to OP.

 

[t2van]

You can flip this and ask why would a client pay before they received anything.

IT or "computers" is the only industry in the world STILL to this day people think its OK to work for free first. No other industry in the world works without a deposit. Why should it be any different?

Why? Because when the whole "web design" thing took off some 20-25 years ago no one knew what it was really, you would always have the common reply of or along these lines "oh the thing my neighbours son does in his bedroom"

It still has that sigma attached to it.

The company asking you to work for free wouldn't work for free for someone else, proven record or not. So why does it work this way around?

In my opinion this is what deposits are for. You pay for X if it doesn't pan out then fine, move on let them go and away you go.

More often than not client will feel conned because

A. They don't understand
B. The provider over sold
C. Couldn't educate the client

Either way. NEVER work for free grab a retainer even if it's 5-10% it's something to prove worth and it provides trust BOTH ways.

Personally we don't do anything without a 30% deposit and I'm not even in the web game.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

Did you join just to post this?

No, there are a lot more things.
This is just a start.

I really wish i had the time to do it myself but unfortunately I don’t for many years now and i hope what i am about the mention below answers everyone & everything making fun or just bitchin about the offer.

1: commercials are to be discussed and those could be weekly payments, referral income however the service provider and we come to an agreement.

2: there are escrow services that can involved for the service providers satisfaction and security.

3: Despite being a deep tech person myself i really do not want to get lame response that most service providers do and just looking for “the right guy” who can deliver for real and this is a long term task with a lot of people doing it and looking to expand and based on the relations with them for over 12-15 years I don’t even have to ask them as i manage their money. (How? that’s a long story)

4: No offence but was thinking there are some serious people who can work but feels like a few made the a “center of a joke” finding a guy on dark web is a bit tough but you don’t find jokers there.

FYI: we paid over 7-8 of self proclaimed “BH seo Experts” an advance between 20-50% and 1-2 even were paid 100% and got nothing in return not because we’re fool but have a risk taking capacity and value time over money. Anyways, money gone (doesn’t matter much) but ended up wasting time and got “Zero” results and some even did “fake orders” trick as we don’t know what’s real and what’s a fake after being in the industry (not just pharma) for 25+ years.
So, looking for “the right person” who can deliver what he/she says.

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Dude, start by posting in the right category: https://officeoutlaw.com/forums/wanted-goods-services.76/

Noted brother
I just joined minutes before i posted
Will keep it in mind in needed to post again

Thanks

 

[t2van]

So is it not legit company then or product / growth? Why the stress and focus on black hat? Sooner or later the brand or site gets burned?

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

So is it not legit company then or product / growth? Why the stress and focus on black hat? Sooner or later the brand or site gets burned?

BH for the following reasons:

Product ain’t legit indeed and something that has an extremely high demand. WH won’t work anyways and Need to create a bridge for the buyers to reach the sellers.

BH gets quick results even though for short term.

Main brand site won’t be touched neither for BH nor WH.

Idea is to keep building doorway sites to keep bringing in the buyers and then direct them to the brand for return orders.

Yes the site gets burned sooner or later. One goes down will add two for each one that goes down and that makes it a long term project and you can say “Life long” project.

 

[t0mmy]

Is this for real?.. why would anyone work for free and your timeframe is insane 2-3 days even in BH SEO isn't happening these days, I'd love to see some cases of it doing so if anyone reading this has some though.

I was the first person to bring the Russian SAPE network to the English SEO scene with "Speed Rank" along with my biz partner GoldenGlovez... well over a decade ago now, touching 15 years I think, this was back when it was just a whisper and well kept secret (got a lot of hate for doing that, but made millions and so did our clients heh). I wrote the book on Parasite SEO... well I didn't write a book but others took my threads I wrote on it, turned them into books and made money selling them... can't knock the hustle I guess. I ran multiple 7 figure Sheer Spam services back in the day... partnering with legends of the BH SEO game at the time such as CCarter from Wicked Fire. Services running dozens of tools and VPS' round the clock, systems set up through trial and error that actually worked.

Now ask yourself, someone with the above knowledge that takes years to acquire (I'm not offering myself for this even if you paid upfront btw), and become solid at... why would they ever agree to those terms? Personally I have only half a dozen clients I do anything BH with these days... they pay well, very well and obviously like all my SEO products they pay upfront. My focus the last 9 years or so has been more on the WH side, all that combined gives me enough insight I feel to tell you that your expectations are farfetched, I ain't seen BH SEO work in 2-3 days since back when we first introduced SAPE when even a few links from there would send pages flying in fucking hours never mind days - that was well over a decade ago now though, it simply doesn't happen anymore... but again I'd love to be wrong and see some case studies doing so.

I get what you're saying in the second reply here, thats the internet for you though... you should be checking these vendors out beforehand - won't be hard to find their past projects if they're good. However someone with a proven track record of success isn't going agree to your terms... most won't even offer these kind of services publicly anymore, why? well it's simple and most of us have seen it unfold in real time - every solid technique that's sold publicly ends up raped by copy cats and then inevitably patched by G.

Good luck with your search though and welcome to OO!

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

Is this for real?.. why would anyone work for free and your timeframe is insane 2-3 days even in BH SEO isn't happening these days, I'd love to see some cases of it doing so if anyone reading this has some though.

I was the first person to bring the Russian SAPE network to the English SEO scene with "Speed Rank" along with my biz partner GoldenGlovez... well over a decade ago now, touching 15 years I think, this was back when it was just a whisper and well kept secret (got a lot of hate for doing that, but made millions and so did our clients heh). I wrote the book on Parasite SEO... well I didn't write a book but others took my threads I wrote on it, turned them into books and made money selling them... can't knock the hustle I guess. I ran multiple 7 figure Sheer Spam services back in the day... dozens of tools and VPS' running round the clock.

Now ask yourself, someone with the above knowledge that takes years to acquire (I'm not offering myself for this even if you paid upfront btw), learn and become solid at. Why would they ever agree to those terms, personally I have only half a dozen clients I do anything BH with these days... they pay well, very well and obviously like all my SEO products they pay upfront. My focus the last 9 years or so has been more on the WH side, all that combined gives me enough insight I feel to tell you that your expectations are farfetched, I ain't seen BH SEO work in 2-3 days since back when we first introduced SAPE when even a few links from there would send pages flying in fucking hours never mind days - that was well over a decade ago now though, it simply doesn't happen anymore... but again I'd love to be wrong and see some case studies doing so.

I get what you're saying in the second reply here, thats the internet for you though... you should be checking these vendors out beforehand - won't be hard to find their past projects if they're good. However someone with a proven track record of success isn't going agree to your terms... most won't even offer these kind of services publicly anymore, why? well it's simple and most of us have seen it unfold in real time - every solid technique that's sold publicly ends up raped by copy cats and then inevitably patched by G.

Good luck with your search though and welcome to OO!

We did brother,
Without wasting time and saw some past history but that past projects were not done by them.

Let’s understand a simple basic fact here and i hope i’ll be able to explain my point here.

When someone gets hired for a Job as an employee does any company pay the salary in advance? It’s a 100% NO but they still join and work for the whole week or month and work with a hope of getting their salary after the end of the month or their paystub at the end of the week.

Aren’t people getting laid off by even big brands now?

I have many legit businesses and even hire on payroll if someone wants to do it that way.

I am just trying to hire “the right person” for the job and think of the results delivery as an interview assessment.

There are thousands of people out there that claim to be an “expert” of BH and make promises to do the job but once given some or full advance they start doing the WH or GH work cause they knew the BH “theoretically” and presented it as if they did it practically that’s only if they’re not scammers else they go AWOL in simple words vanish poof!

Knowing things theoretically & doing them practically are completely different things and finding the right person in today’s world is like finding a needle in the haystack I wasn’t born with a golden spoon and i climbed may way up from a pity paying job back in 1996-1997 to a few businesses i own for about 15+ years now.

In my world of business one doesn’t survive if you can’t keep your word. Anyways, IMO and experience there are a very of those remaining rest are just magicians. You pay them something and they will show you their best trick “invisibility”

So, hoping to get a non magician
That’s all.

 

[t0mmy]

We did brother,
Without wasting time and saw some past history but that past projects were not done by them.

Let’s understand a simple basic fact here and i hope i’ll be able to explain my point here.

When someone gets hired for a Job as an employee does any company pay the salary in advance? It’s a 100% NO but they still join and work for the whole week or month and work with a hope of getting their salary after the end of the month or their paystub at the end of the week.

Aren’t people getting laid off by even big brands now?

I have many legit businesses and even hire on payroll if someone wants to do it that way.

I am just trying to hire “the right person” for the job and think of the results delivery as an interview assessment.

There are thousands of people out there that claim to be an “expert” of BH and make promises to do the job but once given some or full advance they start doing the WH or GH work cause they knew the BH “theoretically” and presented it as if they did it practically that’s only if they’re not scammers else they go AWOL in simple words vanish poof!

Knowing things theoretically & doing them practically are completely different things and finding the right person in today’s world is like finding a needle in the haystack I wasn’t born with a golden spoon and i climbed may way up from a pity paying job back in 1996-1997 to a few businesses i own for about 15+ years now.

In my world of business one doesn’t survive if you can’t keep your word. Anyways, IMO and experience there are a very of those remaining rest are just magicians. You pay them something and they will show you their best trick “invisibility”

So, hoping to get a non magician
That’s all.

I hear ya bro, thing with your example is this though - they're employees, the type of people with the skill set you're looking for work for themselves and make good bank already, they are not your staff... they'll actually choose who they work with, I've turned many clients away through the years due to one thing or another - unreal expectations being one.

Yeah it's like I said, you need to do quite a bit of digging to find the person you need... then on top of that you need to convince them to work with you, people with these skils don't come cheap and have many others willing to pay hand over fist upfront. This isn't the offline world where normie type salaries come into play... hope that makes sense.

Excellent.. same as myself. No silver or gold spoons in the mouth round my way either ha, born in a council estate in Northern Ireland at the tail end of the "troubles"... poor but happy childhood. I changed the poor end of things with hard graft, self education, building partnerships and relationships by flying straight... no hand downs or rich parents. I respect that a lot in a person, those are the real grafters.

Haha yeah magicians alright, but can't perform the type of magic you're looking for!

Are you seeing competitors in your niche ranking sites in a 2-3 day time frame, with them being throw away too I would imagine or guess they're landing pages, not full on websites? You mention in the OP "no parasite seo", how come? What you're kind of looking for here with the throw away sites isn't too far off parasite SEO really, at least with decent parasites (ones not raped to death) you're piggybacking off already acquired authority, not starting a fresh site.

Genuinely interested in your competitors and if they're doing this as fast? I'd love to take a look and try to see what they're up to.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

I hear ya bro, thing with your example is this though - they're employees, the type of people with the skill set you're looking for work for themselves and make good bank already, they are not your staff... they'll actually choose who they work with, I've turned many clients away through the years due to one thing or another - unreal expectations being one.

Yeah it's like I said, you need to do quite a bit of digging to find the person you need... then on top of that you need to convince them to work with you, people with these skils don't come cheap and have many others willing to pay hand over fist upfront. This isn't the offline world where normie type salaries come into play... hope that makes sense.

Excellent.. same as myself. No silver or gold spoons in the mouth round my way either ha, born in a council estate in Northern Ireland at the tail end of the "troubles"... poor but happy childhood. I changed the poor end of things with hard graft, self education, building partnerships and relationships by flying straight... no hand downs or rich parents. I respect that a lot in a person, those are the real grafters.

Haha yeah magicians alright, but can't perform the type of magic you're looking for!

Are you seeing competitors in your niche ranking sites in a 2-3 day time frame, with them being throw away too I would imagine or guess they're landing pages, not full on websites? You mention in the OP "no parasite seo", how come? What you're kind of looking for here with the throw away sites isn't too far off parasite SEO really, at least with decent parasites (ones not raped to death) you're piggybacking off already acquired authority, not starting a fresh site.

Genuinely interested in your competitors and if they're doing this as fast? I'd love to take a look and try to see what they're up to.

I completely agree to what you said and i was just trying to explain giving an example not expecting someone would work on a payroll with good skills. As mentioned (commercials to be discussed)

This world is full of talent take me for an example dropped out even before high school & bought degrees and worked for corporates and i mean brands like Oracle, IBM and many others. I started with pity paying job and after about a year or two earned well and few years later i realised that need to earn more figures which a job won’t pay even after 30 more years. Took a risk and started off my own show It was a hell of a roller coaster ride.

Anywho, Just looking for one or two “talented” people to manage it doesn’t matter how and what they want to do.. they have a free hand.

Also, i think there’s a confusion between what i mentioned in the OP and what you maybe understood from it. I said “You should have experience of Black Hat SEO and not limited to PBN, GP and Parasite Indexing.” And “Not limited to” means it should not be limited to just those. Sorry bro being in the corporate world made it a habit using such legal kinda language.

Also, not expecting to get results from 2-3 days.
Point here “2: Need to Deliver Results First for at least 2-3 days or a week is a must.” meaning need to see the results for 2-3 days or a week cause 1 or 2 day can be a fluke but consistent results are not. That doesn’t mean that the “talented” person won’t be paid.

I believe in karma and can proudly say that i never cheated or kept even a single penny that belongs to someone. In these years i have made contacts & clients purely on the basis of trust, underpromise & over deliver attitude also my blunt behaviour. I never make false promises if I can’t do or get something i will say so and won’t even give a false hope to anyone be it a client or a vendor/supplier. Many of the clients are earned on the basis of delivery first and payment later.

Hoping to find some crazy people like myself.

 

[SilverClouds]

Can you do the pharmacy thing yourself? I bet you can. Do you want to be a full-time pharmacist? Neither do I.

Bad assumption, in the past I wanted to get a science degree and be a scientist . In comparison to that reselling some supplements with my branding on it doesn't sound that complicated.

Okay, no problem, I see you're not on your own side as a marketer / business owner. I see this a lot with freelancers / agency owners. If we collectively demanded some rights clients would have no choice but to comply but people choose to put clients' wellbeing above their own. That creates bad working conditions that everyone keeps agreeing to. I'm trying to at least give you guys an idea that you could have any rights at all and you're not lesser than your clients (it's b2b, they're not your boss, you're not below them). But yeah, I keep considering leaving agency altogether because working conditions aren't good and clients are disrespectful (...because agencies agree to be treated like that).

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I hear ya bro, thing with your example is this though - they're employees, the type of people with the skill set you're looking for work for themselves and make good bank already, they are not your staff... they'll actually choose who they work with, I've turned many clients away through the years due to one thing or another - unreal expectations being one.

Yeah it's like I said, you need to do quite a bit of digging to find the person you need... then on top of that you need to convince them to work with you, people with these skils don't come cheap and have many others willing to pay hand over fist upfront. This isn't the offline world where normie type salaries come into play... hope that makes sense.

Yeah, that's the thing. If he wants to make an affiliate program then he should convince affiliates to work with him. All I see in his post is 'I want this, this, this'. No info on how affiliates would benefit from it, how much % commission, what products are we exactly talking about (very vague), what payment method for payouts, do they pay out weekly, bi-weekly, monthly... Nothing. Even if someone wants to work on results-only basis there are better aff programs to choose from and you can even just start your own brand and keep 100%. Plus like you said for agency work there's always someone willing to pay upfront, you don't have to accept prospects that don't.

 

[roydan]

Okay, no problem, I see you're not on your own side as a marketer / business owner. I see this a lot with freelancers / agency owners. If we collectively demanded some rights clients would have no choice but to comply but people choose to put clients' wellbeing above their own. That creates bad working conditions that everyone keeps agreeing to. I'm trying to at least give you guys an idea that you could have any rights at all and you're not lesser than your clients (it's b2b, they're not your boss, you're not below them). But yeah, I keep considering leaving agency altogether because working conditions aren't good and clients are disrespectful (...because agencies agree to be treated like that).

Net payments is not 'poor working conditions' this is how I pay my accountant, tax advisor, the girl that takes care of my invoices, and even my credit card bill.

I agree that the audition part is annoying, but it's not that more time consuming than having 2 sales calls, which I assume you'll (and any of us) will be fine doing.

I feel like the pacing of my post suggested that I have another paragraph coming or another point to make, but I don't. Here's another paragraph just so the missing paragraph won't drive me insane.

 

[Preying Mantis]

I’d be interested in this bro but what kind of results are you looking for? Like if you wanted some parasites indexed or something yeah sure I could do that quick af but if we’re talking about ranking high for competitive pharma terms then that’s not something I could do.

Need more info to think it over.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

I’d be interested in this bro but what kind of results are you looking for? Like if you wanted some parasites indexed or something yeah sure I could do that quick af but if we’re talking about ranking high for competitive pharma terms then that’s not something I could do.

Need more info to think it over.

Sure
Let’s have a detailed discussion and clear terms including commercials in writing to avoid any discrepancies or communication gaps.

M now here let me know how we can connect
Maybe Telegram mine is @thedrycleaners

 

[SirTop]

Haha… I missed this when it was still hot. This would definitely be in contention for the Ballon d'Or thread of the month, so much knowledge and insights chipped in.

This is a credit post for everyone who participated… I hope y'all sit through the credits : D

To OP @TDC_Fincorp ...welcome to the forum and looking forward to seeing more of your experience being shared here.

To the thread bender @Dopious ...thank you for steering the thread to the right section : D

And to everyone else who added value to this thread, thank you:
@SilverClouds @t2van @t0mmy @roydan @TheVigilante

Finally, @Preying Mantis ...good luck with this one, mate. Hope you slam it < 3