1984 - is it finally happening?

[t2van]

Free speach should be exactly thst. Anyone can say what they want. Might not like it. But you can leave or walk away.

If we start limiting what we can say and talk about then we should just stop talking.

If somone wants to abuse someone verbally I think that's different to saying I think all x are cunts.

Or Im racist and here's why or I just don't like x colour.

That's free speach calling somone a whatever to them is verbal abuse. There's a difference and I personally think they get confused.

 

[LegacyBuilder248]

Its the final stage (next 3-6 years) till the totalitarian system is fully implemented.

They want to implement the digital ID very badly.
In Germany for example its to protect woman from nudity content posted by men
In EU its to protect child till 16 from using social media which of course means everyone needs to digital id (trojan horse) because who would deny to protect childrens

People will lose their freedom very quickly in the name of some BS .....they never had to do anything to get their freedom and because of that they will let it been taken away for some idiocy

roydan a great example justifying to eliminate the possibility of posting anonymiously fearing the consequences of a opressing government.
the only question is since he thinks it will be only used against the bad apple
who defines the bad apples ?
Did you really read 1984 ?
Because i think you never experienced yourself how an opressing government works.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

 

[roydan]

Because i think you never experienced yourself how an opressing government works.

I have not. Thankfully.
But coming from a jewish family, I can tell you about my mom living in Morocco before coming to Israel or about my wife's family coming to Israel shortly after WW2.

I have no idea where you're from, but I really do not want to go down the rabbit hole of first world people convincing themselves they are oppressed while posting revolutionary takes from the Starbucks line with a double mochaccino latte in hand. If that's not the case here them I'm sorry.

 

[SilverClouds]

roydan a great example justifying to eliminate the possibility of posting anonymiously fearing the consequences of a opressing government.
the only question is since he thinks it will be only used against the bad apple
who defines the bad apples ?
Did you really read 1984 ?
Because i think you never experienced yourself how an opressing government works.

He served in the army, that's why he says from that perspective I think, he's a bit biased .

My family did quite a bit of that too, but uhm, I don't believe the government, any of them. You never know when they change their mind and not pay you or steal your money and you're risking your life for them if you're in the armed forces. You never know when they change the definition of crime and you're suddenly criminal but government officials always have immunity and can do whatever crimes they want without being punished. So while I understand that having access to that information would help the police etc do their jobs and sometimes yes, they do catch dangerous criminals too... It's just... No. You never know when government changes the definition of a criminal. Also armed forces often are corrupt af, personally when I have a situation I never know if it's ok to go to the police as a victim, will they help me or is it better to solve the problem myself to not get too much attention from (potentially corrupt) police. It's not so simple and black and white. I know regardless of it all they do their jobs too, but just no, I'd rather keep my privacy.

 

[LegacyBuilder248]

He served in the army, that's why he says from that perspective I think, he's a bit biased .

My family did quite a bit of that too, but uhm, I don't believe the government, any of them. You never know when they change their mind and not pay you or steal your money and you're risking your life for them if you're in the armed forces. You never know when they change the definition of crime and you're suddenly criminal but government officials always have immunity and can do whatever crimes they want without being punished. So while I understand that having access to that information would help the police etc do their jobs and sometimes yes, they do catch dangerous criminals too... It's just... No. You never know when government changes the definition of a criminal. Also armed forces often are corrupt af, personally when I have a situation I never know if it's ok to go to the police as a victim, will they help me or is it better to solve the problem myself to not get too much attention from (potentially corrupt) police. It's not so simple and black and white. I know regardless of it all they do their jobs too, but just no, I'd rather keep my privacy.

Just as an example germany now tries to implement a new law which forbids to own houses to people who critisise the current german government.
What a nice law......

 

[SilverClouds]

Just as an example germany now tries to implement a new law which forbids to own houses to people who critisise the current german government.
What a nice law......

Yeahhh, saw a video on that. Seriously disturbing.

 

[LegacyBuilder248]

I have not. Thankfully.
But coming from a jewish family, I can tell you about my mom living in Morocco before coming to Israel or about my wife's family coming to Israel shortly after WW2.

I have no idea where you're from, but I really do not want to go down the rabbit hole of first world people convincing themselves they are oppressed while posting revolutionary takes from the Starbucks line with a double mochaccino latte in hand. If that's not the case here them I'm sorry.

You think you are not opressed ?
Try to refeuse activly the view of the zioniost and lets see how free you are there.
And to be more direct you live in a place i consider over the next years high risk.

There is a reason orthodox are massivly leaving Isreal to europe and its caused by your own zionists and its not the current Iran war which is nothing towards what is coming.

 

[roydan]

You think you are not opressed ?
Try to refeuse activly the view of the zioniost and lets see how free you are there.

Where are you from? It sounds like you are one of those who take what the BBC sais as truth.

That a side, I don't consider the word Zionist offensive. I'm a proud zionist. I'm also a leftist and made my views very clear in every opportunity I ever had. And pretty loud as well.

Talk to some Israelis if you get to, talk to some Arabs, talk to some Israeli Arabs and you'll get a better sense of what's going on here than watching the news. It's probably very different.

And to be more direct you live in a place i consider over the next years high risk.

As if getting rockets raises the general level of risk

There is a reason orthodox are massivly leaving Isreal

Like the orthodox jews? Who cares? They're an anchor.

 

[LegacyBuilder248]

Where are you from? It sounds like you are one of those who take what the BBC sais as truth.

That a side, I don't consider the word Zionist offensive. I'm a proud zionist. I'm also a leftist and made my views very clear in every opportunity I ever had. And pretty loud as well.

Talk to some Israelis if you get to, talk to some Arabs, talk to some Israeli Arabs and you'll get a better sense of what's going on here than watching the news. It's probably very different.

As if getting rockets raises the general level of risk



Like the orthodox jews? Who cares? They're an anchor.

Israelis are not the smartest people with big ego and expacially not the ones who claim to be zionist without being in the club.
I bet you will run within 18 months once another big country will join the party based on zionists plan.

 

[ggmopa]

Where are you from? It sounds like you are one of those who take what the BBC sais as truth.

That a side, I don't consider the word Zionist offensive. I'm a proud zionist. I'm also a leftist and made my views very clear in every opportunity I ever had. And pretty loud as well.

Talk to some Israelis if you get to, talk to some Arabs, talk to some Israeli Arabs and you'll get a better sense of what's going on here than watching the news. It's probably very different.

As if getting rockets raises the general level of risk



Like the orthodox jews? Who cares? They're an anchor.

I am curious as an Israeli Jew how you feel about Netanyahu's remark 'we will make it to the return of the Messiah'?

He has earlier quoted directly from the bible in a public conference if i'm not mistaken, too.

 

[LegacyBuilder248]

I am curious as an Israeli Jew how you feel about Netanyahu's remark 'we will make it to the return of the Messiah'?

He has earlier quoted directly from the bible in a public conference if i'm not mistaken, too.

He has no clue what it means for the jews living in Israel executing the plan of the zionists.

Reality will get him and he will regret having supported it as the above video is their plan

 

[roydan]

I am curious as an Israeli Jew how you feel about Netanyahu's remark 'we will make it to the return of the Messiah'?

He has earlier quoted directly from the bible in a public conference if i'm not mistaken, too.

I'm an atheist. Not a fan of Bibi, not a fan of anything biblical.

Israelis are not the smartest people with big ego and expacially not the ones who claim to be zionist without being in the club.

Yeah, this matches my description. I'm a zionist, dumb, and not worth your time.

 

[ggmopa]

I'm an atheist. Not a fan of Bibi, not a fan of anything biblical.

I mean, even though I live in a Christian state but don't identify as one religiously, I do still participate in festitivities and occasions such as christmas. So if the head of government or the head of state and supreme governor of the church suddenly started reciting versus from the koran or other 'foreign' religions during a time of crisis or dire situation, most people would likely scrath their heads and feel they're missing something.

I feel maybe you have a similar attitude, albeit a Jewish leaning one. And similarly given the vast majority of Israel is religio-ethnically or at least socio-culturally Jewish, doesn't it make you scratch your head even once why during a crisis or dire situation it's Jewish head of Government appears to prefer to represent a foreign Evangelical impetus over any local Jewish one, irrespective of how religious any Israeli citizen is?

 

[roydan]

I mean, even though I live in a Christian state but don't identify as one religiously, I do still participate in festitivities and occasions such as christmas. So if the head of government or the head of state and supreme governor of the church suddenly started reciting versus from the koran or other 'foreign' religions during a time of crisis or dire situation, most people would likely scrath their heads and feel they're missing something.

I feel maybe you have a similar attitude, albeit a Jewish leaning one. And similarly given the vast majority of Israel is religio-ethnically or at least socio-culturally Jewish, doesn't it make you scratch your head even once why during a crisis or dire situation it's Jewish head of Government appears to prefer to represent a foreign Evangelical impetus over any local Jewish one, irrespective of how religious any Israeli citizen is?

I don't watch the news but I can probably look it up. Generally, Massiah is a hebrew word, which is the equivalent to a savior, and obviously the jews have one. If he spoke of a messiah, I guess he meant the jewish one.