BLACKHAT SEO Expert needed "Pharma Niche" (No Advance or Upfront Payment)

[indianmojojojo]

Highly skilled people will be able to find clients with ease. So i doubt they would want to onboard without an upfront fee.

Mediocre ones or first time freelancers who are moon lighting or just gotten laid off would most likely accept payment after a task completion.

But I don't think someone with even 5 years of IT experience working in Google would be able to do Blackhat stuff.

Because IT employees work on specific tasks and they do it all their life. Most of the times I have noticed their vission is narrow and are only SMEs(subject matter experts)

So if this were a content gig, or anything whitehat you could probably get someone good with weekly payments etc.

But someone with experience and proper skills would already be overbooked if it's blackhat.

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If you already have the subject matter expertise hire VAs train them, pay them monthly and develop a SOP if you want to do this long-term. Then have a project manager who also gets trained into this. That is the only viable solution.

 

[t0mmy]

Haha… I missed this when it was still hot. This would definitely be in contention for the Ballon d'Or thread of the month, so much knowledge and insights chipped in.

This is a credit post for everyone who participated… I hope y'all sit through the credits : D

To OP @TDC_Fincorp ...welcome to the forum and looking forward to seeing more of your experience being shared here.

To the thread bender @Dopious ...thank you for steering the thread to the right section : D

And to everyone else who added value to this thread, thank you:
@SilverClouds @t2van @t0mmy @roydan @TheVigilante

Finally, @Preying Mantis ...good luck with this one, mate. Hope you slam it < 3

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

Highly skilled people will be able to find clients with ease. So i doubt they would want to onboard without an upfront fee.

Mediocre ones or first time freelancers who are moon lighting or just gotten laid off would most likely accept payment after a task completion.

But I don't think someone with even 5 years of IT experience working in Google would be able to do Blackhat stuff.

Because IT employees work on specific tasks and they do it all their life. Most of the times I have noticed their vission is narrow and are only SMEs(subject matter experts)

So if this were a content gig, or anything whitehat you could probably get someone good with weekly payments etc.

But someone with experience and proper skills would already be overbooked if it's blackhat.

--

If you already have the subject matter expertise hire VAs train them, pay them monthly and develop a SOP if you want to do this long-term. Then have a project manager who also gets trained into this. That is the only viable solution.

I agree to what you said.

However, the payment is not after the task completion.

But need to see some results first (just like test driving a car before buying it) and “not just talks” and not asking to wait the whole month for the payment. Escrow services can be involved like Fiverr.

The offer is carefully thought over as in the recent few weeks “huge promises” and commitments were made by the “so called BH seo experts” and after discussions & terms agreed we even paid “advance” some asked for partial while some asked for full.

But, as soon the payment was made the following downgraded from mid to the worst level within a max of 24 hours: The attitude, behaviour, confidence level, commitment as well as the offer.



Hence,
We got a learning (Loss & Fear are a Hoax. there’s never a loss, It’s either an earning or a learning. Fear is nothing but a mental block that we create ourselves in our minds).

The learning is always follow the rule “take a test drive of the car before buying”.

I shared the actual experience not with an intent to disrespect anyone. If it offends anyone then apologies in advance.

Thanks

 

[Dopious]

(just like test driving a car before buying it)

Test driving at the cost of someone putting in hours of work, dude, no consultant worth the money will give you hours of work for free just for you to test drive. People work for money, not for your benefits.

This is what is wrong in this industry, ever seen a builder or car repair work for free letting their customers test drive their shop time, fckn hell this is stupid.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

Test driving at the cost of someone putting in hours of work, dude, no consultant worth the money will give you hours of work for free just for you to test drive. People work for money, not for your benefits.

This is what is wrong in this industry, ever seen a builder or car repair work for free letting their customers test drive their shop time, fckn hell this is stupid.

Test driving a car is completely different than the builder or car repair work.

That’s why test driving a car was used as an example.

How would we know If the consultant can really do what he committed & agreed to?

After dealing with 7-8 so called “black hat seo experts” and paying them an advance (partial as well as full) got nothing but just “talks” and waste of time & money.

Hence such an offer.

Once again asking for a “test drive” of the car not asking to “transfer ownership” of the car without a payment.

Hope that elaborates it.

 

[SilverClouds]

How would we know If the consultant can really do what he committed & agreed to?

They should have previous clients results.

After dealing with 7-8 so called “black hat seo experts” and paying them an advance (partial as well as full) got nothing but just “talks” and waste of time & money.

Hence such an offer.

Translation: you suck at recruiting (non-)employees so now everyone else has to take responsibility for your lack of ability.

Once again asking for a “test drive” of the car not asking to “transfer ownership” of the car without a payment.

I'm not a car. You're not asking to test an item that was built already, you're asking for service, new work.

Hope that elaborates it.

Yeah, that explains a lot.

 

[Dopious]

Hope that elaborates it.

Well, I am not a BlackHat SEO Expert, but if someone would like to hire me in my niche and asked for a test drive of my services, I`d tell that guy to find another consultant as I will never work for free as an expert. Sure you will get guys that promise way over their ability, but that is as you hire an employee and have to fire him month later as his CV was not really true, it comes with doing business.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

They should have previous clients results

Seen many fake history & reviews.
Feel free to ask for details.

 

[SilverClouds]

Seen many fake history & reviews.
Feel free to ask for details.

Great, because you didn't post your website address even or price range that you're willing to pay for service, nothing. You didn't even bother to fake anything, let alone post the real thing.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

Translation: you suck at recruiting (non-)employees so now everyone else has to take responsibility for your lack of ability

You sound as if the market is full of honest people.

How come everyone else has to take Responsibility?

As a client looking for a vendor supplier for services and asking for real proofs is wrong.. really?

So just keep throwing money and/or keep wasting time into super detailed discussion is the approach?

Its a simple thing being asked for
“Trial as proof”

That would eliminate all cheats, liars, fakes & scammers. Without wasting much time.

If that makes me “suck at recruiting” then you don’t know shit about business

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Great, because you didn't post your website address even or price range that you're willing to pay for service, nothing. You didn't even bother to fake anything, let alone post the real thing.

Wake up buddy and Read the OP
Industry clearly mentioned and
“Commercials to be discussed” mentioned

Next time please read before responding and will ignore any of your replies whatsoever if irrelevant

 

[SilverClouds]

You sound as if the market is full of honest people.

No, I sound as if you're dishonest. Obviously there are scammy freelancers and scammy potential clients out there, both. I'm a freelancer, you expect me to shit on my own kind?

How come everyone else has to take Responsibility?

Yes, you should take responsibility. Not everyone should run a business, if you can't take responsibility and are looking to put it on everyone else then maybe you shouldn't own a business. It's fine, go back to 9 to 5 work.

As a client looking for a vendor supplier for services and asking for real proofs is wrong.. really?

If they show you past client results and you see these are fake results (you should know, as you said you already got scammed so you know how fake results look like) then don't work with them, simple. Sometimes you find out there's nobody suitable to work with, that's fine too. Don't use that as an excuse to scam freelancers / agencies for free service, do things yourself or hire internally (close family, friends) instead.

So just keep throwing money and/or keep wasting time into super detailed discussion is the approach?

I actually had this problem myself when smm panel youtube views stopped working. I bought some, some worked but quickly became unavailable, the rest didn't work so I stopped buying and made a bot to make views myself. If there's nobody reliable to work with you should solve the problem internally. Do something yourself. What do you do, anyway? Sit and look pretty? You don't do marketing. You don't create the supplements, factory does. Did you at least design product labels or got a freelancer for that also? It's fine to be a middleman but you don't do that either... You didn't create a convincing offer for affiliates, for example. Middleman does work too. You just sit there, or at least that's the impression you are making.

Its a simple thing being asked for
“Trial as proof”

That would eliminate all cheats, liars, fakes & scammers. Without wasting much time.

If that makes me “suck at recruiting” then you don’t know shit about business

I told you. I'd rather compete with you directly and open my own brand than work on these terms. I don't like you and I don't want to work with you. I like the niche, it's profitable and I have some data from previous clients and prospects that shared their info. I don't like you so I'd remove you. Lol. Supplements are fine. Good luck, other people might want to work with you, idk. I'll finish the conversation for now because it goes in circles.

 

[TDC_Fincorp]

No, I sound as if you're dishonest. Obviously there are scammy freelancers and scammy potential clients out there, both. I'm a freelancer, you expect me to shit on my own kind?

Yes, you should take responsibility. Not everyone should run a business, if you can't take responsibility and are looking to put it on everyone else then maybe you shouldn't own a business. It's fine, go back to 9 to 5 work.

If they show you past client results and you see these are fake results (you should know, as you said you already got scammed so you know how fake results look like) then don't work with them, simple. Sometimes you find out there's nobody suitable to work with, that's fine too. Don't use that as an excuse to scam freelancers / agencies for free service, do things yourself or hire internally (close family, friends) instead.

I actually had this problem myself when smm panel youtube views stopped working. I bought some, some worked but quickly became unavailable, the rest didn't work so I stopped buying and made a bot to make views myself. If there's nobody reliable to work with you should solve the problem internally. Do something yourself. What do you do, anyway? Sit and look pretty? You don't do marketing. You don't create the supplements, factory does. Did you at least design product labels or got a freelancer for that also? It's fine to be a middleman but you don't do that either... You didn't create a convincing offer for affiliates, for example. Middleman does work too. You just sit there, or at least that's the impression you are making.

I told you. I'd rather compete with you directly and open my own brand than work on these terms. I don't like you and I don't want to work with you. I like the niche, it's profitable and I have some data from previous clients and prospects that shared their info. I don't like you so I'd remove you. Lol. Supplements are fine. Good luck, other people might want to work with you, idk. I'll finish the conversation for now because it goes in circles.

You’re wasting my time
COMPLETE IGNORE here on

 

[indianmojojojo]

I agree to what you said.

However, the payment is not after the task completion.

But need to see some results first (just like test driving a car before buying it) and “not just talks” and not asking to wait the whole month for the payment. Escrow services can be involved like Fiverr.

The offer is carefully thought over as in the recent few weeks “huge promises” and commitments were made by the “so called BH seo experts” and after discussions & terms agreed we even paid “advance” some asked for partial while some asked for full.

But, as soon the payment was made the following downgraded from mid to the worst level within a max of 24 hours: The attitude, behaviour, confidence level, commitment as well as the offer.



Hence,
We got a learning (Loss & Fear are a Hoax. there’s never a loss, It’s either an earning or a learning. Fear is nothing but a mental block that we create ourselves in our minds).

The learning is always follow the rule “take a test drive of the car before buying”.

I shared the actual experience not with an intent to disrespect anyone. If it offends anyone then apologies in advance.

Thanks

The problem is you will have to filter out with questionnaires, and interview, pre screening. You will drive away top talent if you actually had conditions like escrow, post payment etc. I understand there are a bunch of scammers. That doesn't mean there aren't any good ones. Change your approach in finding the right guys

1. Have an automated questioner as the first layer. Test the subject matter with questions. You can use Google form or jot form. You can later exporte and automate it to filter results.

2. Next a voice call or a video call to pre screen the candidate. This is the key. If you already have the subject matter expertise and experience running a blackhat business. You could filter out candidates.

Now the the next and final paid brain strom session.

3. Brain strom session. You pay them by the hour first. Here you will brain strom with them. You create an action plan, assess roadblocks, create SOPs, figure TATs, setup a slack or discord server. Create individual server for each process. Create a Google sheet to assess. Hook up formulas to evaluate on the index sheet.

This is the process for getting a mediocre or fresher with theory knowledge or someone with a good IQ to pick up things. You can actually get this on an autopilot if you streamline the process.

Experienced black hatters with solid track record won't go hunting for jobs is my humble opinion. They will already be booked. Most of them get refferal sales most of the time

I tell this from my own pov, disclaimer: i dont do what you are looking for so I am not applying to this job.

For my blackhat agency that I run 90% of my clients are referral and 40-50% of them are very sensitive with a NDA in place. So if someone was looking to book us for an end to end project with KPIs, we wouldn't usually sign up instantly for our consulting front. We create the invoice with breakup, action plan and 100% fee for the first month in advance. There are no clawbacks in the contract. It's done with mutual trust as 90% of the business is refferal from an existing happy client. Some of them famous brands, or senator level politicians.

I started with outsourcing first few years ago. Then slowly built a SOP and I have bunch of people working for me across the globe. Most of what we do is am tracked on Google sheet with formulas and I have my PL run reports every 4 days. So everything sort of now is automated.

So change the way you are looking to hire and start.

Because there will always be a small % of wastage and sunken cost for any business. Which should always be taken into account before one begins

 

[Preying Mantis]

Sure
Let’s have a detailed discussion and clear terms including commercials in writing to avoid any discrepancies or communication gaps.

M now here let me know how we can connect
Maybe Telegram mine is @thedrycleaners

I'll think it over the next day and contact you on TG if I think I can do it.

If I don't think I can do it, I have a friend who probably could so I'll refer him over to you.

 

[Dev]

When I have a rare skill set, I pick the people I work with, not the other way around.

Someone good enough with BH to rank 'pharma' keywords won't work with you on those terms. Period.

 

[t0mmy]

How's the search going OP?