Corporate life hate club | What’s the real reason

[roydan]

I never hated working for a corporate. Worked in a few and it was pretty successful. At some point my own business worked well enough so I had to quit my job but I ended up still working with that company as an agency so I still attend a meeting here and there.

 

[Zwielicht]

I’ve had three corporate positions in my life, so I'll tell you about my experiences with them.

Let's start with the general attitude of the corporate workplace. Instead of expressing understanding and applying actual experience to their business, these people try to reduce everything down to numbers and then get surprised when people don't respond well to being treated like a number. "But our data shows that people love this", yet they don't understand that they're misreading their own data. These are the same jackasses who will spend the day standing on a fucking 50hz vibrating pad and call it 'exercise', then wonder why they're still disgusting, out of shape lumps.

Then there's the manipulation aspect of it. No matter how much work you do, they always find a way to say you're not doing enough. When I used to overwork myself, I had relatives who were concerned about me telling me I need to work less. At the time, I panicked and told them that when you get a job based on "exemplary performance", you can't just reduce what you're doing. Corporations expect endless performance improvements, after all. If you start just doing only what you're paid to do, you're told you're not doing enough, and this is always what's happened to me.

If you thought your fellow co-workers would be better, then you thought wrong. When a workplace becomes corporate, it's like all the life gets sucked out of the employees and they take their frustration out on each other. They get over-worked and instead of asking you for help, some of them go straight to the CEO and complain about their co-workers not doing enough. The worst part about this is when they get a promotion after bitching about you and start slapping their name on documents you wrote up after adding a few sentences in broken English. But you know, when it's the CEO who tells you this and they have a history of being manipulative with employees and causing their own high turnover rate, who knows if this is even true!

But let's talk about the meetings now. Don't you dare stop smiling in any of the meetings and don't stop doing phony laughs at their lame ass jokes. They'll talk shit about you and label you as being the problem with company morale. Long, boring, unproductive meetings where everyone is zoning out as someone drones on, repeating the same talking points one, two, three... four times...

You want time off? Fuck you! Don't you dare take Christmas off for the first time in 7 years to see your family for once. You know, it doesn't matter if you've worked every holiday season so the jackasses you work with can see their families. No, you take that one Christmas off and they'll act like you're being egregious with your time off.

Don't mention anything about your health declining, either. It won't matter how much you tell them, it's never enough and the paranoid pricks will start thinking you must be being "guided by something" and up to no good when you were in the hospital and had been communicating this the entire time with them. You can literally show the chats where you said all of this to them and they'll just say they don't remember that. How about scrolling up, dipshit?

Then, when they're ready to fire you, they think they're so sneaky about it. They hire the obvious replacements, ask you to train them, and then ask you to start writing documentation on everything you do. Certain co-workers will start distancing themselves from you and your performance review won't be done, either. Gee, I wonder what could possibly be going on!

But my real issue with corporate life is that in the corporate world, they're always right and you're always the problem. You're the problem for not smiling enough, you're the problem for taking time they give you off, you're the problem for not doing things that hurt others, and you're the problem for just being you.

 

[t2van]

@t2van if you're so tired of running a business sign everything to my name and go work in a warehouse . I can free you from your problems .

I find it funny that nobody finds it alarming that successful business owner is spreading propaganda against starting a business... He's basically getting rid of competition lol. And that's why he doesn't like me, even with my weaknesses I'm not naive. I'll take him being pissed as a compliment .

Also people suddenly getting butthurt when I tried to enforce boundaries, said I have a 'type' for dating and would like to choose friends rather than letting everyone in is just nuts. You guys really have problems with respecting boundaries, that for sure. Not everyone has to like you, it's not the end of the world.

I don't understand any of this.

Where did I say I was tired of running it. Why would I sign it to you?

Actually felt like I lost an IQ point trying to work this out.

What competition ? No one competes here on the same level as me. I don't even do any service or sell any design/seo or whatever service.

It's OK to be envious, it's human nature.

 

[Rem]

Let's start with the general attitude of the corporate workplace. Instead of expressing understanding and applying actual experience to their business, these people try to reduce everything down to numbers and then get surprised when people don't respond well to being treated like a number. "But our data shows that people love this", yet they don't understand that they're misreading their own data. These are the same jackasses who will spend the day standing on a fucking 50hz vibrating pad and call it 'exercise', then wonder why they're still disgusting, out of shape lumps.

Then there's the manipulation aspect of it. No matter how much work you do, they always find a way to say you're not doing enough. When I used to overwork myself, I had relatives who were concerned about me telling me I need to work less. At the time, I panicked and told them that when you get a job based on "exemplary performance", you can't just reduce what you're doing. Corporations expect endless performance improvements, after all. If you start just doing only what you're paid to do, you're told you're not doing enough, and this is always what's happened to me.

If you thought your fellow co-workers would be better, then you thought wrong. When a workplace becomes corporate, it's like all the life gets sucked out of the employees and they take their frustration out on each other. They get over-worked and instead of asking you for help, some of them go straight to the CEO and complain about their co-workers not doing enough. The worst part about this is when they get a promotion after bitching about you and start slapping their name on documents you wrote up after adding a few sentences in broken English. But you know, when it's the CEO who tells you this and they have a history of being manipulative with employees and causing their own high turnover rate, who knows if this is even true!

But let's talk about the meetings now. Don't you dare stop smiling in any of the meetings and don't stop doing phony laughs at their lame ass jokes. They'll talk shit about you and label you as being the problem with company morale. Long, boring, unproductive meetings where everyone is zoning out as someone drones on, repeating the same talking points one, two, three... four times...

You want time off? Fuck you! Don't you dare take Christmas off for the first time in 7 years to see your family for once. You know, it doesn't matter if you've worked every holiday season so the jackasses you work with can see their families. No, you take that one Christmas off and they'll act like you're being egregious with your time off.

Don't mention anything about your health declining, either. It won't matter how much you tell them, it's never enough and the paranoid pricks will start thinking you must be being "guided by something" and up to no good when you were in the hospital and had been communicating this the entire time with them. You can literally show the chats where you said all of this to them and they'll just say they don't remember that. How about scrolling up, dipshit?

Then, when they're ready to fire you, they think they're so sneaky about it. They hire the obvious replacements, ask you to train them, and then ask you to start writing documentation on everything you do. Certain co-workers will start distancing themselves from you and your performance review won't be done, either. Gee, I wonder what could possibly be going on!

But my real issue with corporate life is that in the corporate world, they're always right and you're always the problem. You're the problem for not smiling enough, you're the problem for taking time they give you off, you're the problem for not doing things that hurt others, and you're the problem for just being you.

just like mr Vasyl Malyuk right

Zelenskyy forces out Ukrainian spy chief who led daring raids against Russia

Vasyl Malyuk reportedly unwilling to leave post as head of the Security Service but will now lead special operations

www.theguardian.com

 

[t0mmy]

One simple word that working for myself online for around 15 years now for money and what doing so for myself to earn that money (that’s needed for basically everything in this world we live in) gives me: Freedom

I don’t answer to anyone, can sleep to I see fit, can take weeks off when I want, travel the world, indulge in experiences that only freedom of time and money can provide, family taken care of, and the big one - limitless possibilities aka there is no ceiling or promotion in my world… the sky is the limit in terms of income not a pay rise from a boss. I could go on all day. Essentially though it’s always been about freedom for me.

 

[polecat]

No seems to have said so i will say in a lot of busines Retail or Office or whatever staff spend large amount of time trying to backstab the others. in work or out it.

Here some examples when I was working for ASA I can recall there was a woman who hated another, spent a large amount of time at work and out of spite against this other woman not sure why but she actually ended up doing sort of criminal stuff to other by putting screw driver through car tires in the end she went to jail over it.

One of my friends was working for a pretty big electric he call centre but got a lot of money for it anyway he told me at work often staff would on purpose try and annoy others on the phone to get them sacked.

 

[polecat]

95% of people I know who do SEO or something else self-employ employed is normally because they hate the sort of office workplace, since many others invent problems for drama reasons or to be a general jerk.

One of the reasons my brother joined the Merchant Navy ended up chef Engineer was he found in normal work many people just create problems but on boats does not happen since no one got the time or effort to do that kind of thing on the boats.

@Dopious I told my brother to drop of ferrets in Sweden at the habour so your friends may come to visit you soon.

 

[t2van]

One simple word that working for myself online for around 15 years now for money and what doing so for myself to earn that money (that’s needed for basically everything in this world we live in) gives me: Freedom

That sounds more like financial freedom.

That can be achieved through working in a corporate job as well, no?

I think freedom and money are two wrong words to mix together because it's the stigma that often revolves around them the whole "lambo meme" for example.

A friend of mine works in IT security hes on 200k a year gets a nice company car and gets to travel as part of his job.

I got another friend who runs a window cleaning business and just about breaks even at 25k a year.

Which one has money and freedom?

My point is at least my opinion anyway is money and freedom is often muddled with starting a business when in reality it's not like that. YES it does happen if you put the time in and you work hard and make sacrifices but it's rare.

Money & Freedom is the lure or hook people use to sell IM books and courses about working 1 hour a week and making 7 figures a year.

I don’t answer to anyone, can sleep to I see fit, can take weeks off when I want, travel the world, indulge in experiences that only freedom of time and money can provide, family taken care of, and the big one - limitless possibilities aka there is no ceiling or promotion in my world… the sky is the limit in terms of income not a pay rise from a boss. I could go on all day. Essentially though it’s always been about freedom for me.

Was it always like that or did you have to work towards that?

Do you have staff around you?

I think that's amazing if you have reached that level of success and can take the rewards that come with it. Many do not, which is kind of the purpose of the thread.

I think most people in a job if they are unhappy can go find a better paying job or need to re-train and educate in order to get that rise.

There might not be a ceiling or promotion in your world similar to mine. However there are lots of external factors that can trip us up at any point for that privilege...

 

[SilverClouds]

Aaaand t2van continues discouraging any potential competition from starting a business . I'm from city with biggest polytechnic in my country and shittons of software houses. There's very little of these security positions available. Most people will end up as software developers, not in security and this pays less. A lot of software companies actually have high rotation of employees, they hire right after college for pennies, squeeze you dry and on to neeext employee. Technically you're not even an employee since b2b contract is standard in IT, they're all sole proprietors. Nobody said high paid employment doesn't exist but you present something very unrealistic, most people will never have a chance to work in these IT security positions if only because there are very few job openings for this and shittons of candidates that dream of working in security, most never do. Software developers also routinely have to answer the phone after work and do extra hours, the work never ends. Plus they have to attend company events after work. Honestly, I'd say that work to life balance there is absolutely tragic.

That said, after all that t2van bashing I get that perhaps some people should work as developers in a software house instead of doing business since their motivation is working in IT... So yeah, in this case that jerk has a point, if you just want to work in IT then maybe work in IT. I noticed that a lot of people here want to, indeed, focus on their passion for IT / working in the profession. In this case either working in a software house or if you can't, freelancing is the way to go. For someone entrepreneurial freelancing might be already not entrepreneurial enough and annoying .

 

[polecat]

Aaaand t2van continues discouraging any potential competition from starting a business . I'm from city with biggest polytechnic in my country and shittons of software houses. There's very little of these security positions available. Most people will end up as software developers, not in security and this pays less. A lot of software companies actually have high rotation of employees, they hire right after college for pennies, squeeze you dry and on to neeext employee. Technically you're not even an employee since b2b contract is standard in IT, they're all sole proprietors. Nobody said high paid employment doesn't exist but you present something very unrealistic, most people will never have a chance to work in these IT security positions if only because there are very few job openings for this and shittons of candidates that dream of working in security, most never do. Software developers also routinely have to answer the phone after work and do extra hours, the work never ends. Plus they have to attend company events after work. Honestly, I'd say that work to life balance there is absolutely tragic.

That said, after all that t2van bashing I get that perhaps some people should work as developers in a software house instead of doing business since their motivation is working in IT... So yeah, in this case that jerk has a point, if you just want to work in IT then maybe work in IT. I noticed that a lot of people here want to, indeed, focus on their passion for IT / working in the profession. In this case either working in a software house or if you can't, freelancing is the way to go. For someone entrepreneurial freelancing might be already not entrepreneurial enough and annoying .

You are 100% correct.

To give you a example me when I tried in the past to work as software engineer I got asked for very odd or pointless things for example wanting me to speak 10 language none of that applys to HTML,Python or another language.

Only small amount of university or colleges they would accept. Next master degree before even thing in software and range of experience almost impossible for me to have to have work for Google,Microsoft among other companys very hard to get into.

I got easy if want to get accepted into software or internet security work I have also being paid a few times to do jobs for people in these areas I can do without leaving my home.

Only time I had to pay visit was one time to program someone solar panel system and another to fix mess Gen X made on a software he wreaked someone made for it

 

[t2van]

Aaaand t2van continues discouraging any potential competition from starting a business . I'm from city with biggest polytechnic in my country and shittons of software houses. There's very little of these security positions available. Most people will end up as software developers, not in security and this pays less. A lot of software companies actually have high rotation of employees, they hire right after college for pennies, squeeze you dry and on to neeext employee. Technically you're not even an employee since b2b contract is standard in IT, they're all sole proprietors. Nobody said high paid employment doesn't exist but you present something very unrealistic, most people will never have a chance to work in these IT security positions if only because there are very few job openings for this and shittons of candidates that dream of working in security, most never do. Software developers also routinely have to answer the phone after work and do extra hours, the work never ends. Plus they have to attend company events after work. Honestly, I'd say that work to life balance there is absolutely tragic.

That said, after all that t2van bashing I get that perhaps some people should work as developers in a software house instead of doing business since their motivation is working in IT... So yeah, in this case that jerk has a point, if you just want to work in IT then maybe work in IT. I noticed that a lot of people here want to, indeed, focus on their passion for IT / working in the profession. In this case either working in a software house or if you can't, freelancing is the way to go. For someone entrepreneurial freelancing might be already not entrepreneurial enough and annoying .

Why am I discouraging anyone from starting a business?

Where do I say that?

Personally, if you have the drive to do it and the success, then do it.

That isn't the point of this thread, maybe your too dull to understand that?

This thread is about people wanting to go down the self-employed route because they think the grass is greener. It isn't for many people.

People get a job and expect and think they are owed something. They are not. You are there to work. You get paid. That's it. It's simple.

There is also a major difference between freelancing or going self-employed and creating a well paid OR not job for yourself. That's not a business, and people don't understand that. Being entrepreneurial is building a business with staff, something that can grow and function with out you. If it can't and you are needed for that "business" to make money, then you have a job.



@SilverClouds it's fine if you want to bash me, call me a jerk, It's not like I sit here crying. I can't help or explain it any better if you don't understand. You clearly can't just block me and ignore me, just shows you have the issue not me.

You constantly try to twist my reply and take it totally out of context to fit some agenda you have. Such as saying I'm telling people not to start a business? Where? Don't compete with me? Where?

Same as that thread where I said people on this forum don't understand what mentorship is and you kept with that for months, saying I'm looking to mentor people. Or more recently, I should mentor a user on here. I never said any of that. You constantly take things out of context, make it all up to fit some delusional fantasy world you live in.

At this point you aren't just miss-quoting me your running a low-budget fan-fiction spin-off.

Honestly, I'm glad you didn't quote me in the more recent reply. It’s impressive how you quote me word-for-word and still miss the point entirely.

As I said. It's fine if you are jealous, that's fine. Thats life.

I'd maybe try and stop living in the fantasy land or get your head out of your ass or that silver cloud and just work a little bit harder. Anyone who questions anything bad you push out, I'm a woman, it's private or any other nonsense you care to spout that may or may not be affecting your period that day.

All the best kid.

 

[Champagne]

yes but
when you become your boss, when you have employees.
you are now the top dog of the company, your image, your aura, your opinions, now matter even more than when you were just an employee.
If an employee exhaust you that much, your gonna crumble as a boss.

Yeah, i agree with that.

 

[polecat]

Yeah, i agree with that.

I think the same

 

[t0mmy]

That sounds more like financial freedom.

That can be achieved through working in a corporate job as well, no?

I think freedom and money are two wrong words to mix together because it's the stigma that often revolves around them the whole "lambo meme" for example.

A friend of mine works in IT security hes on 200k a year gets a nice company car and gets to travel as part of his job.

I got another friend who runs a window cleaning business and just about breaks even at 25k a year.

Which one has money and freedom?

My point is at least my opinion anyway is money and freedom is often muddled with starting a business when in reality it's not like that. YES it does happen if you put the time in and you work hard and make sacrifices but it's rare.

Money & Freedom is the lure or hook people use to sell IM books and courses about working 1 hour a week and making 7 figures a year.




Was it always like that or did you have to work towards that?

Do you have staff around you?

I think that's amazing if you have reached that level of success and can take the rewards that come with it. Many do not, which is kind of the purpose of the thread.

I think most people in a job if they are unhappy can go find a better paying job or need to re-train and educate in order to get that rise.

There might not be a ceiling or promotion in your world similar to mine. However there are lots of external factors that can trip us up at any point for that privilege...

Basically what I said bro, in terms of my business and how it’s run anyway - it gives me complete freedom, I get what you’re saying but I just don’t see a corporate job having the kind of freedom I’m talking about… for example I could wake up tomorrow and decide fuck it I’m off to Bali for 3 months and then I might jump to Thailand or whatever.

No certainly not, it took years of grafting long hours on my own… pulling all nighters back in the early days was a common thing. I also couldn’t deal with a boss, then again I guess the clients are kind of my boss and I have to deal with their issues and what they want, but then on the other hand you’d have to do that in most corp jobs while also answering to a boss. 200k a year is nice and I respect people that go down that route whether it’s because they like the industry they’re in or for security (if there is such a thing really)… but why not 500k or 750k, working for yourself and online where you’ve one of the biggest audiences (with targeting on another level) in the world makes those numbers very obtainable.

I guess it comes down to the person, I know dudes much much smarter than me that would smash it out on their own, but they just don’t have it in them and prefer a good salary in what they presume is a safe job.

 

[SilverClouds]

You are 100% correct.

To give you a example me when I tried in the past to work as software engineer I got asked for very odd or pointless things for example wanting me to speak 10 language none of that applys to HTML,Python or another language.

Only small amount of university or colleges they would accept. Next master degree before even thing in software and range of experience almost impossible for me to have to have work for Google,Microsoft among other companys very hard to get into.

I got easy if want to get accepted into software or internet security work I have also being paid a few times to do jobs for people in these areas I can do without leaving my home.

Only time I had to pay visit was one time to program someone solar panel system and another to fix mess Gen X made on a software he wreaked someone made for it

You're making a very good point here... It's actually easy to work in IT by freelancing, hell some people will even just ask you to do stuff for them (and then you tell them your rates) if they notice you're the 'nerdy person'. It's easier than getting IT position at a company and they won't give you an employment contract anyway. Literally some people here you could say they already work in security in their own businesses because they for example circumvent security at Trust Pilot to post fake reviews, bot Youtube views (so attacking the algorithm, literally), people have these proxy farms, etc. They already work in IT, IT security even .

But yeah, if someone really struggles with the business part of it and just wants to work in IT getting a software dev 'job' (you won't get an employment contract and they'll call you to come back to work 24/7) might be a good idea. But remember that these 'jobs' have their quirks, are in very limited supply for senior or specialized positions (less security and sysadmin positions available than more general software development) and your pay might be not as high as you'd like as a junior dev (do these positions even exist nowadays with AI? ). Also forget about having life after work if you work in a software house. Also true about high expectations during recruitment, like @polecat said.

But yeah, I personally care about entrepreneurship and don't care about working in IT . I'd rather switch the niche than get a job .

Again, it's like @polecat can't join the police for health reasons. Serving in armed forces is my dream job. I have a deep passion for killing people . But it's unrealistic, I won't get that for health reasons. So I had to accept that I will never have a job that I like, I'll never be happy at work and it'll be for earning money only. I have a problem with being a civilian basically . Someones' dream job is mine 'fuck, I'm behind the desk' . Being disabled sucks.

 

[polecat]

You're making a very good point here... It's actually easy to work in IT by freelancing, hell some people will even just ask you to do stuff for them (and then you tell them your rates) if they notice you're the 'nerdy person'. It's easier than getting IT position at a company and they won't give you an employment contract anyway. Literally some people here you could say they already work in security in their own businesses because they for example circumvent security at Trust Pilot to post fake reviews, bot Youtube views (so attacking the algorithm, literally), people have these proxy farms, etc. They already work in IT, IT security even .

But yeah, if someone really struggles with the business part of it and just wants to work in IT getting a software dev 'job' (you won't get an employment contract and they'll call you to come back to work 24/7) might be a good idea. But remember that these 'jobs' have their quirks, are in very limited supply for senior or specialized positions (less security and sysadmin positions available than more general software development) and your pay might be not as high as you'd like as a junior dev (do these positions even exist nowadays with AI? ). Also forget about having life after work if you work in a software house. Also true about high expectations during recruitment, like @polecat said.

But yeah, I personally care about entrepreneurship and don't care about working in IT . I'd rather switch the niche than get a job .

Again, it's like @polecat can't join the police for health reasons. Serving in armed forces is my dream job. I have a deep passion for killing people . But it's unrealistic, I won't get that for health reasons. So I had to accept that I will never have a job that I like, I'll never be happy at work and it'll be for earning money only. I have a problem with being a civilian basically . Someones' dream job is mine 'fuck, I'm behind the desk' . Being disabled sucks.

Very true.

I will give you funny example someone said I need to speak Spanish, so will be coding in Spanish or talking to Spanish people?" him"No " me"Why do I need to learn this language?" him"you need it " me"why" him not say anymore to me.

I would agree that many people work in security sort of things all the time.

Outside of the Western boomer logic which never works well in practice. I can fairly easy get a job in Eastern Europe in some software firm I don't need to speak Russian or Serbian or some other Slavic language I can if I want to get these jobs pretty easy but in Western world I need to speak anywhere like 3 to 10 languages when no point at all for me knowing it connected to work.

True getting contact now in the West kind of rare except for very premium sort of jobs.

I can understand for me I always get rejected for being diabetic for jobs all the time even in things that say"We accept type 1 diabetics " when I would apply get rejected for it either way.

Not sure if you got in Poland but I did as kid Army cadet it was so much fun putting on the army stuff, or shooting the targets or general army stuff you could do .