Employed, Self-Employed or I have my own shop?

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Afther I read this @Zwielicht's story it got me thinking about this aspect of employment vs own business.

I've never been officially employed, only worked in testing periods, I was never been in the official tax paying employees braket market.

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The only job I applied and I didn't get but desperately needed and wanted was for a 'boiler room' exactly like the movie with Vin Diesel. It was 1 on 1 thing just that they would not sell scam, they would gather high operational leads throughout EU. They had a nice corporation culture inside: who badmouths other coleagues gets fired etc. At the interview they asked me to "sell me this pen" and that was way before the movie, well, my english was not on point and that messed up with my confidence, they picked that up and they didn't hire me in the end, no hard feelings from me, but it would have been cool if I would get the job. Then I've applied for another boiler room, I got the job pretty easy then I found out after I declined the employment after the 3 months test period that I was working for the biggest EU scam company from that year, man I so dodged the bullet. That was all over the national news just a few months later.

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After that I did a deep introspection and I've decided that something is messing me, I am not a reg person and I could not work in a corporate environment. Later years I found out is ADHD + other things but that's another story. Then and there I've decided that I won't work for anybody else's company except mine. I've worked agriculture, constructions, digging ditches and so other manually labour work just to keep myself afloat till I stacked some web skills and start freelancing and then a small business and never looked back.

Somehow, I've managed to build something around my strengths and limitations and automate the most part. I am still staking skills all the time because other way, my mind tends to be on the negative side 70-80% if I don't give something proactive to chew. I still like the manual labour, just that now I am doing it like a hobby, not digging ditches for money.

I am curious about you, what is your take with that?

(We let @God aside since it's self exolanatory that he finished his work in 7 days then only supervise the mortals)
 
Actually, I fit in 3 poll categories. I had a shop I failed there; I joined a job but felt not made for job even after getting quick progress I was getting a salary of say 100 dollars only in Mumbai in 2008 and then decided to leave the job and get into full time IM. Now, IM the only business I do.
Now, trying something bigger.
 
I was employed once when I worked a retail job. I quit doing that and started a business after several months, and I've been self-employed ever since.

I've tried applying for job over the years, sometimes whenever I got frustrated with having a business and other times because I needed extra money. Over the last 7 years, I'd apply anytime I got really annoyed working for the other forum (so about once a month on average). However, I never manage to actually land a job. By the time anything with a regular does seem promising, I'm back to making money through my company and just ignore the offer.

Contrary to popular belief, I was not actually employed by the other forum; I was a contractor who was treated exactly like an employee right down to the performance reviews (did anyone say employment law violation?). I've had similar arrangements in the past and I usually don't mind this as it can be difficult hiring someone in another country, and as long as I have flexibility in how I work for them, there's no issue.

The opportunity from the story I shared was going to be another situation like that where I would've worked on a contractual basis and not hired on properly. Again, I'm just used to these arrangements, but I definitely dodged a bullet with that one.

You mentioned having worked construction. I've always kind of wanted to do that as I much prefer working with my hands than I do on the computer. Funnily enough, I never tried applying to one of those jobs.
 
Probably all 4. - I'll skip a lot because I don't have time to create a movie out of my life so here is the short version.

I left home when 14 so done a bit of retail work and then had a chance to do door to door selling. That taught me how to speak to people and sell. Selling the "pen" you brought up is about asking questions than making a reason for them to buy the pen ;) Not everyone gets that! But selling is such an art and learning rejection is very hard.

My life sounds made up because at one point it was going just a million miles an hour.

I used to travel fighting and I started to import cameras, electronics to resell back to friends long before you had the euro and the dollar to pound rate was better. I took advantage of the .com bubble or more so the tail end of it launched an e-commerce business and it done very well I'm talking 8 mid figures turn over I was a really ass hole with money back then.

I also hustle and run a TON of scams because things where easier to do so back then - I done some real crazy shit I never thought id get away with, and still today I don't believe I did but thats a whole other thing. That business went under due to a banking error and I ended up taking a bank to court after they bankrupted me and I won - well they actually settled before going in front of a judge.

(see sounds fake lol)

I was advised based on my spending habits to put most of the settlement into a pension and savings and invest in property so I did. Anyway now set I decided to take my training seriously and I started to compete ALOT I ended up having a car crash which ended all of that.

Sat on my rather fat ass I thought I done a business once and it worked lets do it again, there's no risk. I FAILED 17 times trying to duplicate that business and I got in trouble with it. Bailing myself out 17 times COSTS a lot.

I'm fortunate I have a good income from stocks and shares and my wife has a pretty good job so I thought well I don't need to work but I cant sit on the sofa either. Battling with some inner deamons I got into gardening and I decided to make a business around that HOWEVER.

Because I failed soo many time trying to duplicate I thought id make this for my kids. If when they are older they can take it over or ill sell it and give them 90% and 10% to staff (45% each) you know what it worked, I don't know if its because I stopped trying to make a living or made it about my family but it works.

I also think me not having a stake in it has removed the jinks... It's 11 years old in October. I had at peak 17 full time staff and 4 part time I'm down to 13 staff now (had a bumpy road) it turns over 7 figures. I'm trying to get it to 8 and its tough.

I deep down honestly think if I tried to take an income or make a living from it, id fuck this entire thing up. So I won't. When anyone asks I tell them I run a garden e-commerce brand but REALLY im just a professional bum because I don't have a job I have a project setting something up for my kids.

I had an offer early last year after I put the company up for sale. Having a bit of a down spell I wasn't right mentally I was going to sell up and I ended up taking 16 weeks off (almost with a phased returned) a competitor offered to buy out the company for almost what I wanted and I should have maybe have taken it.

BUT I don't know what I would do, sit on the sofa? In one way it was good validation because I now know its worth X and someone will buy it. I didn't' sell It I think I was just burnt out. But I have a new focus to get it to 10-12m turnover and above and see where that takes me.

I like it really, I've been very very lucky.

Believe me or not, internet is full of shit. I am who I am. Thats my story I know it's real.
 
Offline Business & Online Business!

#1. First started one Mobile Shop with my own brother, it went great and opened 3 branches then failed to manage all .. then closed the chapter ..

#2. Once after completion of my engineering studies
, I got opportunity to work in a local SEO company as a Marketing Manager.. That went great like 2 years , earned good money with incentives, well experienced and due to some clash with a girl , Left the Job and started as a Freelancer (work from Home)

#3. Started my own SEO Company with partnering with my Boss.. that went really great like we hired 40+ employees and runs business like 4 years.. Due to some personal conflict with Boss, I've moved on

#4.Started Big Restaurant Business in hometown where we do pizzas , burgers, sandwich, shawarma, briyani, grill items and run the business like 10 years with 2 branches.. then it went loss

#5. I need some break, so stopped doing business and joined paramedical course, master of yoga course for study.. at the same time we (me & Brother) turned Restaurant business to Food truck business which we are doing it currently..

#6. One the other side, after completing laboratory technician course - we started Microbiological Laboratory with Dad.. he runs the business actually, me give him some support by collecting home Blood Sample Collection.. we doing it currently.

#7. Long Story Short - we do Both Online and Offline Business.. But, I am still looking for some good business opportunity.. Maybe il go Dubai this year for a Job by hand over the offline Business Food truck to brother and Laboratory to Dad..

Think, I wrote too personally as what runs on Mind.. Thank you for reading..

Eventhough, I get opportunity to work in Dubai.. I never Leave Office Outlaw.. tbh

Hence, I Voted for 3 ;)
 
Actually, I fit in 3 poll categories. I had a shop I failed there; I joined a job but felt not made for job even after getting quick progress I was getting a salary of say 100 dollars only in Mumbai in 2008 and then decided to leave the job and get into full time IM. Now, IM the only business I do.
Now, trying something bigger.
That's a nice journey. What are you working on it now?
You mentioned having worked construction. I've always kind of wanted to do that as I much prefer working with my hands than I do on the computer. Funnily enough, I never tried applying to one of those jobs.
Well, construction was the thing that got me out of depression at that time, and doing some heavy work with hands has this effect, I saw it in others too. But it puts a toll on the body since it comes down to heavy rust to body. I am still feeling the effects 20 yrs later.
Believe me or not, internet is full of shit. I am who I am. Thats my story I know it's real.
Cool story, you had a lot of struggle but you managed to get it going no matter what, that's something inspirational.
Eventhough, I get opportunity to work in Dubai.. I never Leave Office Outlaw.. tbh
Dubai is a cool place to live, it's on my visit list for 2025, maybe we meet there, that would be awesome!
 
All I know is that I'm giving it socks

I'm either gonna end up in a ward, an office, or a house

No cells pls outlaws
 

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