Under Consideration Mentoring is Allowed?

[Rem]

title?
yes no?

ToS doesn't say anything about it
It was not allowed in other places

 

[Zwielicht]

I looked away and it’s back down to +2.

Hey, if it’s going in the other direction, maybe make sure it gets to -11. Hey, you know, that’s a good number for… reasons. -11, yeah!

-10 = not allow
+10 = allow
anywhere inbetween = Z takes a picture with the ash pose?

 

[SilverClouds]

I looked away and it’s back down to +2.

Whoa, such a lively topic, no?

 

[IMGuy]

Mentoring is a huge business but the problem is about satisfaction.

 

[MisterF]

It's often quite unquantifiable. But then again, it's the same as a lot of the BS courses and E-books.

" I made $50k in 30 seconds read how I did it here " ( They forget to mention all the important details such as you need $45k to build a tool or you need a 20 million subscriber base ).

For me anyone offering paid mentorship, the funds should be in Escrow until the buyer has got a good ROI from their 'investment'.

 

[SirTop]

Great question, I`m in the works of photoing my feets, could use your mentoring service maybe.

Oh, I almost thought your sig was also part of the message here... My bad!

 

[t2van]

As it's not banned yet.

If anyone wants to chew the fat as we say (see I got mentorship lingo) or need some advice or wants to brainstorm anything inbox open, people should know that anyway. I'll help anyone out.

 

[Rem]

I don't like the idea of paid mentorship. I think vulnerable users can be taken advantage of too easily. More so than most types of services. I was actually quite certain this was a joke thread, but maybe not? I don't downvote a lot, but I had to here.

Sorry @Rem

i'm not in or for it, nothing to be sorry about.
just thought to bring it up

 

[Skyrocket]

Allow mentoring. I will open first thread

 

[TheVigilante]

I am open to being mentored by the Best on the forum

Just no ferrets please

 

[polecat]

I am open to being mentored by the Best on the forum

Just no ferrets please

Both need done if you want SEO,software or ecommerce or accounting or other knowledge .

 

[Octavia]

Agree with @roydan there is really no benefit over doing a mentorship over a course, for the buyer.

Everything can be packaged in a course. ( there are some exceptions to the rule)

Do you have questions send a DM or chat request on ...

 

[TheVigilante]

Agree with @roydan there is really no benefit over doing a mentorship over a course, for the buyer.

Everything can be packaged in a course. ( there are some exceptions to the rule)

Do you have questions send a DM or chat request on ...

Or probably have a weekly AMA thread what say?

 

[ThunderDigitals]

Well, you can create the ebooks about your topic then you can mentor the person through your support chat. That's what i think you can do.

 

[t2van]

Well, you can create the ebooks about your topic then you can mentor the person through your support chat. That's what i think you can do.

That's called customer support.



I thought working in retail was the definition of the human race being thick as shit. Clearly it's asking them to explain what mentoring is.

 

[Octavia]

Well, you can create the ebooks about your topic then you can mentor the person through your support chat. That's what i think you can do.

Ans how would you combat scam?

Anything after the ebook sales is your own responsibility.
If you are not happy with the mentorship and eventually price attached to it, you have nothing to claim.

 

[Zwielicht]

As it's not banned yet.

If anyone wants to chew the fat as we say (see I got mentorship lingo) or need some advice or wants to brainstorm anything inbox open, people should know that anyway. I'll help anyone out.

I was considering making an exception for unpaid mentoring. Sometimes when you’re working with someone or a member sends you a message, this can inadvertently happen. This happened to me sometimes on the other forum when I was just a member there as other members would message me for advice on something like web design and I would often show them what I’m doing and explain things to them. This was technically mentoring, although I wasn’t charging them anything nor did I plan to.

Again, I’d need to define al of this better and add it to the rules, but I’m sure you get where I’m going.

 

[roydan]

I was considering making an exception for unpaid mentoring. Sometimes when you’re working with someone or a member sends you a message, this can inadvertently happen. This happened to me sometimes on the other forum when I was just a member there as other members would message me for advice on something like web design and I would often show them what I’m doing and explain things to them. This was technically mentoring, although I wasn’t charging them anything nor did I plan to.

Again, I’d need to define al of this better and add it to the rules, but I’m sure you get where I’m going.

Not allowing 1 on 1 help would get me in serious trouble.
In many cases users can only share limited information in the public sections, and it's just not enough for a complete answer.
In other cases a conversation starts friendly and later on turns into something a bit more technical or professional. It's how people converse.

 

[Zwielicht]

Not allowing 1 on 1 help would get me in serious trouble.
In many cases users can only share limited information in the public sections, and it's just not enough for a complete answer.
In other cases a conversation starts friendly and later on turns into something a bit more technical or professional. It's how people converse.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly!

 

[BlogPro]

Ive never had mentoring like that and I've never given mentorship like that either.

It's normally a case you go to somone with more experience than you, they help guide you grow and develop your business or you personally.

They give advice, you ask questions you get help and so on.

That's exactly what mentorship is.

Your karate kid example is teaching.

I understand where you're coming from, but I personally think IM works slightly differently. (Again, this is my PoV)

I know people in traditional industry with full time jobs have mentors. An old boss, a contact who's been around for a while, a skilled colleague - people who can help pave the way for growth. The one's who recommend them to finish a particular certification, or switch jobs, or work some more at their existing job. The one's who help navigate CTC, office politics, career growth options, pivot options etc.

I know people in traditional trade who have mentors too. I've seen people break into completely unfamiliar niches thanks to their mentor.

And this gets even bigger and more prominent in an area very closely aligned to us in IM - the startup culture.

But in IM, things get extremely complicated.

Primarily because you're not employed, and you're not always running a business in it's own pure sense either. If you're out here, looking to be mentored, you're in most cases doing everything yourself and don't posses either the skill or the capital to grow big.

In such times, you're looking at advice. But like everyone else you have the shiny object syndrome. It was blogs yesterday, it was parasites the day before, Amazon affiliate before that, it's AI today, it'll be socials tomorrow, probably spotify the day after, and crypto the next day.

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Owing to my threads in the other forum, I used to get plenty of mentorship requests. If it was a one off question, a clarification, or some guidance on what to do/avoid - I'd happily take the time to write a response to their DMs.

But people wanted more. They were ready to pay.

Some offered upfront monthlies, others wanted to offer a chunk of whatever they built under my tutelage.

I had to politely decline each time.

Only to learn they had approached others before me and were basically kept around as unpaid interns, spending hours doing menial work on the mentor's "projects".

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Also, as @MisterF pointed out. It's not quantifiable.

The benefits cannot be calculated.

Let's also not forget that most people are not qualified enough to be mentors. A decade in IM, they're still trying. All they have is an old account on a forum.

In a traditional service sense, the moderators can intervene in the event of a dispute and judge everything based on the quality of deliverables.

How do you do that for mentorships?

Reaching out to a member, having a polite conversation, and asking reasonable questions and getting an answer is a decent enough approach. That's standard networking. And I don't that needs to be banned.

Having it as as an explicit - "I'll be your mentor in Pay per Call" is something I'd avoid as an official part of the forum.

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Written in a moving car, early in the morning, as I try to convince my body that I have woken up. Please excuse typos and brevity.

 

[t2van]

I understand where you're coming from, but I personally think IM works slightly differently. (Again, this is my PoV)

I know people in traditional industry with full time jobs have mentors. An old boss, a contact who's been around for a while, a skilled colleague - people who can help pave the way for growth. The one's who recommend them to finish a particular certification, or switch jobs, or work some more at their existing job. The one's who help navigate CTC, office politics, career growth options, pivot options etc.

I know people in traditional trade who have mentors too. I've seen people break into completely unfamiliar niches thanks to their mentor.

And this gets even bigger and more prominent in an area very closely aligned to us in IM - the startup culture.

But in IM, things get extremely complicated.

Primarily because you're not employed, and you're not always running a business in it's own pure sense either. If you're out here, looking to be mentored, you're in most cases doing everything yourself and don't posses either the skill or the capital to grow big.

In such times, you're looking at advice. But like everyone else you have the shiny object syndrome. It was blogs yesterday, it was parasites the day before, Amazon affiliate before that, it's AI today, it'll be socials tomorrow, probably spotify the day after, and crypto the next day.

//

Owing to my threads in the other forum, I used to get plenty of mentorship requests. If it was a one off question, a clarification, or some guidance on what to do/avoid - I'd happily take the time to write a response to their DMs.

But people wanted more. They were ready to pay.

Some offered upfront monthlies, others wanted to offer a chunk of whatever they built under my tutelage.

I had to politely decline each time.

Only to learn they had approached others before me and were basically kept around as unpaid interns, spending hours doing menial work on the mentor's "projects".

//

Also, as @MisterF pointed out. It's not quantifiable.

The benefits cannot be calculated.

Let's also not forget that most people are not qualified enough to be mentors. A decade in IM, they're still trying. All they have is an old account on a forum.

In a traditional service sense, the moderators can intervene in the event of a dispute and judge everything based on the quality of deliverables.

How do you do that for mentorships?

Reaching out to a member, having a polite conversation, and asking reasonable questions and getting an answer is a decent enough approach. That's standard networking. And I don't that needs to be banned.

Having it as as an explicit - "I'll be your mentor in Pay per Call" is something I'd avoid as an official part of the forum.

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Written in a moving car, early in the morning, as I try to convince my body that I have woken up. Please excuse typos and brevity.

IM makes NO DIFFERENCE to the word or definition of a memntorship

Half of the drivel you replied with makes no difference what industry you are in , I got no idea why people think IM is sooo bloody special.

Doing work would or could be considered an apprenticeship where you go and learn on the job and do work and get paid. That's something totally different again.


Unless you actually understand what the definition is no one should be offering to guide anyone with any advice and this thread is doing a great job of actually highlighting the fact that most replies here have no clue what it is despite people claiming they offer it.

Definition:

Mentorship is a helping relationship where a more experienced person (the mentor) guides and supports a less experienced person (the mentee) in their professional or personal development. This guidance can involve sharing knowledge, offering advice, providing feedback, and helping the mentee set and achieve goals.