Whoa Venezuela Got INVADED!!!?!?

[polecat]

@t0mmy @t2van

It’s a fact: Venezuela was operating at ~8% of its oil capacity.That money didn’t reach people — it fed drug routes and cartels.Fixing oil infrastructure means

Cartels on the run
Drug flows disrupted
Jobs + revenue for Venezuelans

A win for Venezuela. A win for the USA.

For me I want them to invade India so we get more ferrets to the Indians

 

[ggmopa]

One more Putin in the world, take what you want .. shameless fckn US dictator.

How are these situations even remotely comparable? Russia was regularly under threat of neo-nazi terrorism. Schools and hospitals in Pro-russian territories were routinely being used as 'target practice' by neo-nazi battalions of Ukraine. They even ran nazi summer camps, for lackof a better word, for children during school holidays. Article 5 would have meant a total disaster for Russia of Ukraine became a member. Of course Russia are going to try their hand and occupy it before this was allowed to occur.

Now tell me how that has anything to do with Trump and US invading venezuela and kidnapping it's president?

 

[t0mmy]

How are these situations even remotely comparable? Russia was regularly under threat of neo-nazi terrorism. Schools and hospitals in Pro-russian territories were routinely being used as 'target practice' by neo-nazi battalions of Ukraine. They even ran nazi summer camps, for lackof a better word, for children during school holidays. Article 5 would have meant a total disaster for Russia of Ukraine became a member. Of course Russia are going to try their hand and occupy it before this was allowed to occur.

Now tell me how that has anything to do with Trump and US invading venezuela and kidnapping it's president?

Exactly… fuck give me 10 Putins any day of the week over the shit show spineless wasters the west has as so called “leaders”, the man has balls, integrity and calls it as it is - always has, he warned and he warned and he warned, still the west/NATO kept advancing and meddling… Ukraine is nothing but a proxy war and it seems one of its main instigators is even fed up now with it, they’ve their sights set on their neighbours oil and resources.

@TheVigilante - says who bro? Even if what you said is true… so what? That’s a sovereign nation, America has no right to attack it or kidnap it’s president, a very bad precedent has been set here… then again though when did America and their cronies ever pay any heed to international laws. I mean if you were to take your logic, then we could definitely say that ggmopa with his comment above is correct too actually even more so as what he’s saying is facts, what you’re saying I’ve yet to see any factual evidence of.

Fuck America, their days of ruling the world through the petrodollar, sanctions and manipulation are slowly coming to a close, the writing is on the wall. The only sad part is that I feel they’ll burn the (or attempt to) whole world with them before they ultimately concede.

 

[polecat]

Exactly… fuck give me 10 Putins any day of the week over the shit show spineless wasters the west has as so called “leaders”, the man has balls, integrity and calls it as it is - always has, he warned and he warned and he warned, still the west/NATO kept advancing and meddling… Ukraine is nothing but a proxy war and it seems one of its main instigators is even fed up now with it, they’ve their sights set on their neighbours oil and resources.

@TheVigilante - says who bro? Even if what you said is true… so what? That’s a sovereign nation, America has no right to attack it or kidnap it’s president, a very bad precedent has been set here… then again though when did America and their cronies ever pay any heed to international laws. I mean if you were to take your logic, then we could definitely say that ggmopa with his comment above is correct too actually even more so as what he’s saying is facts, what you’re saying I’ve yet to see any factual evidence of.

Fuck America, their days of ruling the world through the petrodollar, sanctions and manipulation are slowly coming to a close, the writing is on the wall. The only sad part is that I feel they’ll burn the (or attempt to) whole world with them before they ultimately concede.

I would agree with you . Most Western leaders are completely useless people.

Basically, for why so many Western people are in Asia or other places now that will only keep getiting higher.

 

[t0mmy]

If a sitting U.S. president claims that U.S. soldiers captured the sitting president of another independent country through a military operation inside that country without approval from the United Nations, this would almost certainly be a serious violation of international law. The UN Charter clearly says that countries are not allowed to use military force against another country’s land or government unless the UN Security Council approves it or the country is acting in self-defense after an actual or immediate armed attack, and even then the response must be necessary and not excessive.

Taking a foreign president by force is almost never needed for self-defense and is usually seen as illegal interference or an attempt to change another country’s government, which breaks the basic rules of respecting national sovereignty and not interfering in other states’ affairs. It also violates head-of-state immunity, a rule that protects sitting presidents from being arrested or detained by other countries. Depending on what happened - especially if civilians were hurt - such an action could make the state legally responsible for wrongdoing, could be considered an act of aggression, and could expose individuals involved to international criminal charges.

The only situations where this might be legal are if the UN Security Council specifically approved the operation or if it was done through a proper international court process, not by a unilateral military attack; without these rare exceptions, the capture would be illegal under international law.

BUT we all know none of this applies when it’s the west or their lapdog dishing it out…

 

[polecat]

If a sitting U.S. president claims that U.S. soldiers captured the sitting president of another independent country through a military operation inside that country without approval from the United Nations, this would almost certainly be a serious violation of international law. The UN Charter clearly says that countries are not allowed to use military force against another country’s land or government unless the UN Security Council approves it or the country is acting in self-defense after an actual or immediate armed attack, and even then the response must be necessary and not excessive.

Taking a foreign president by force is almost never needed for self-defense and is usually seen as illegal interference or an attempt to change another country’s government, which breaks the basic rules of respecting national sovereignty and not interfering in other states’ affairs. It also violates head-of-state immunity, a rule that protects sitting presidents from being arrested or detained by other countries. Depending on what happened - especially if civilians were hurt - such an action could make the state legally responsible for wrongdoing, could be considered an act of aggression, and could expose individuals involved to international criminal charges.

The only situations where this might be legal are if the UN Security Council specifically approved the operation or if it was done through a proper international court process, not by a unilateral military attack; without these rare exceptions, the capture would be illegal under international law.

BUT we all know none of this applies when it’s the west or their lapdog dishing it out…

You are 100% right again.

 

[t0mmy]

I mean based on this, what’s stopping china just saying fuck it the gloves are off now and going ahead to invade Taiwan… I mean the same disregard for international law could be argued and they’d have a good argument, regardless of what your programming box (tv) is telling you about the situation in Venezuela.

 

[polecat]

I mean based on this, what’s stopping china just saying fuck it the gloves are off now and going ahead to invade Taiwan… I mean the same disregard for international law could be argued and they’d have a good argument, regardless of what your programming box (tv) is telling you about the situation in Venezuela.

I am thinking that sort of stuff myself, they do have very strong case if we going to go the whole court route or UN stuff, all China has to do is bring as many countries loyal to them to win over America .America's friends are getting smaller and smaller all the time.

Even the whole Greenland stuff, which the Trump government seems to want .

I like American people, but their government or what's going on makes me not have much trust in the current system.

 

[t0mmy]

I am thinking that sort of stuff myself, they do have very strong case if we going to go the whole court route or UN stuff, all China has to do is bring as many countries loyal to them to win over America .America's friends are getting smaller and smaller all the time.

Even the whole Greenland stuff, which the Trump government seems to want .

I like American people, but their government or what's going on makes me not have much trust in the current system.

America's friends are getting smaller and smaller all the time. - this bit gives hope, but it also is dangerous, like I said earlier: the empire is in its final days and we all know what a dog does when trapped into a corner… it bites and lashes out at anyone in it’s path.

Sketchy times for the world right now.

 

[t2van]

I mean based on this, what’s stopping china just saying fuck it the gloves are off now and going ahead to invade Taiwan… I mean the same disregard for international law could be argued and they’d have a good argument, regardless of what your programming box (tv) is telling you about the situation in Venezuela.

China is already planning on going after Taiwan... Its not if it's when.

The mantra is unification by 2030... They are just waiting buying time that's all.

China will do what it wants when it wants. No one will push them.

I personally agree with alot of theories out there they will keep expanding until Russia is part of China or a good large % of it.

Theres a global shift coming. It's happening now slowly hence the moves America are making.

Lots of people stress that a nuclear war will come. I can't see it happening, no one is going to nuke and risk contamination of materials and resources they need.

If there is a target it will be remote and unique. I see uk as more then likely being hit because it's an island.


Anyhow..... Foil hats away on that.


Ukraine 100% a proxy war at this point the problem most of the West is facing they can't manufacture as quick as the East.

It's not going as great as mainstream media wants to admit. Russia hasn't really mobilised either. They are just using old shit and testing theories of warfare.

But we are made to belive they are weak and breaking... When I think it's actually us that's at that point.

It's why we can't now stop the proxy war we (Europe and the West) is far to exposed.

Zelensky won't give up anything his version of a victory is to take all of Ukraine back he's already said that.

Russia and Europe need Ukraine to be a buffer. No nato. No Russia. Just a land mass. It won't happen (I don't think) or it will for a few years and we will be back here as 1 side or the other has pushed a bit too much.

Personally this year is going to be interesting. We are already in a global conflict. It's just not what people want to see they think it's all going to be like WW2 but we moved on.

All we can do is prepare. I've got 3 holidays booked to mainland Europe. I expect to do 2... The 3rd I'm not sure of but the way the world is slowly looking I'm not expecting another holiday any time soon after that...

 

[polecat]

America's friends are getting smaller and smaller all the time. - this bit gives hope, but it also is dangerous, like I said earlier: the empire is in its final days and we all know what a dog does when trapped into a corner… it bites and lashes out at anyone in it’s path.

Sketchy times for the world right now.

True I think the death of the Empire was as well over the Boomers' extreme mismanagement of the world

 

[Octavia]

Mercantilism of the 21st century

 

[t0mmy]

China is already planning on going after Taiwan... Its not if it's when.

The mantra is unification by 2030... They are just waiting buying time that's all.

China will do what it wants when it wants. No one will push them.

I personally agree with alot of theories out there they will keep expanding until Russia is part of China or a good large % of it.

Theres a global shift coming. It's happening now slowly hence the moves America are making.

Lots of people stress that a nuclear war will come. I can't see it happening, no one is going to nuke and risk contamination of materials and resources they need.

If there is a target it will be remote and unique. I see uk as more then likely being hit because it's an island.


Anyhow..... Foil hats away on that.


Ukraine 100% a proxy war at this point the problem most of the West is facing they can't manufacture as quick as the East.

It's not going as great as mainstream media wants to admit. Russia hasn't really mobilised either. They are just using old shit and testing theories of warfare.

But we are made to belive they are weak and breaking... When I think it's actually us that's at that point.

It's why we can't now stop the proxy war we (Europe and the West) is far to exposed.

Zelensky won't give up anything his version of a victory is to take all of Ukraine back he's already said that.

Russia and Europe need Ukraine to be a buffer. No nato. No Russia. Just a land mass. It won't happen (I don't think) or it will for a few years and we will be back here as 1 side or the other has pushed a bit too much.

Personally this year is going to be interesting. We are already in a global conflict. It's just not what people want to see they think it's all going to be like WW2 but we moved on.

All we can do is prepare. I've got 3 holidays booked to mainland Europe. I expect to do 2... The 3rd I'm not sure of but the way the world is slowly looking I'm not expecting another holiday any time soon after that...

Couldn’t have said it better!

 

[RogerM]

Pretty sure @RogerM is from there

Yeap he's from there

I am from Venezuela

I remember posting on the forum a few days ago so hope he is fine

Aaaaawn, thanks mate. I am fine, thankfully, the US operation was surgically focused on specific military assets like airports and ports. The attack was NOT on civilians. Also, the strike was ONLY on our nation´s capital (Caracas) and I live in Maracaibo which is the second largest city after Caracas which is 10h away.

Has noting to do with that. Never has. Never did.

It's about Oil. I think people are expecting oil to come down when markets open on Monday, I'm not sure that will be the case.

Greenland be next as it's the largest rare earth deposits outside of China.

USA going to run it until they can install someone who will side with them. How long that will last I don't know.

Bingo... lol at anyone saying otherwise, have you all not learned enough the past few years about crisis actors and how your media manipulates you?

The petrodollar is falling, in order to keep that afloat they need oil... strecteched themselves too thin in the middle east, remember the old WMD - that didn't exist, but plenty of oil that did.

America got the note, they can't afford to fuck around anymore in the Middle East spreading themselves too thin and their lapdog there is already causing enough issues.

Why not just go into your back yard to a country with the largest oil reserves in the world under the guise of a warn on drugs, btw Venezuela counts for 1% or so of the cocaine that enters the USA... but this was never about drugs. America once again showed the world that international law, rules and deplomicy only come into play when it suits them.

The empire is crumbling and they'll do what they can to hold on... what you're seing is the last attempts of that, they can't "FAFO" in the Middle East anymore or other countries they once would as they've got allies now, powerful ones.

The sooner this shit show petrodollar dominance comes to an end the better, until then though... be prepared for much more crazy last stitch attempts at holding on for dear life from the good old land of the free and home of the brave lmao

Just about stealing oil

Guys, it's a bit more complex than that.

@t0mmy @t2van

It’s a fact: Venezuela was operating at ~8% of its oil capacity.That money didn’t reach people — it fed drug routes and cartels.Fixing oil infrastructure means

Cartels on the run
Drug flows disrupted
Jobs + revenue for Venezuelans

A win for Venezuela. A win for the USA.

This is spot on!

Not going to lie and say that the US is doing some philanthropic work and helping Venezuelans reach freedom, that´s just a shortsighted view and naive way of thinking.

There´s a lot of geopolitics involved.

Unfortunately, Venezuela became a massive player in the war against the "Imperialism" of the US in the Western Hemisphere for lefty countries like Cuba, China, Iran, and Russia (what a group to be part of lol).

It's not just about the drugs and oil, but it's like the "Cold War v2" right in the 21st century.

And, to be fair, the years of the most significant economic growth and prosperity in my country were the years where the US was exploiting our oil, not even close.

So, without getting into an ideological debate here, I would rather have US companies doing business with us and exploiting our natural resources than China, Cuba, Russia, or Iran.

If a sitting U.S. president claims that U.S. soldiers captured the sitting president of another independent country through a military operation inside that country without approval from the United Nations, this would almost certainly be a serious violation of international law. The UN Charter clearly says that countries are not allowed to use military force against another country’s land or government unless the UN Security Council approves it or the country is acting in self-defense after an actual or immediate armed attack, and even then the response must be necessary and not excessive.

Taking a foreign president by force is almost never needed for self-defense and is usually seen as illegal interference or an attempt to change another country’s government, which breaks the basic rules of respecting national sovereignty and not interfering in other states’ affairs. It also violates head-of-state immunity, a rule that protects sitting presidents from being arrested or detained by other countries. Depending on what happened - especially if civilians were hurt - such an action could make the state legally responsible for wrongdoing, could be considered an act of aggression, and could expose individuals involved to international criminal charges.

The only situations where this might be legal are if the UN Security Council specifically approved the operation or if it was done through a proper international court process, not by a unilateral military attack; without these rare exceptions, the capture would be illegal under international law.

BUT we all know none of this applies when it’s the west or their lapdog dishing it out…

That´s the thing, @t0mmy, Maduro didn´t win the 2024 presidential election; they stole it!

An electoral fraudster as president of Venezuela?
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They abrutly lost the 2024 Presidential election by a 70/30 margin NOT counting the votes from people oversees (a bit over 4 million registered votes) since they were NOT allowed to participate.

They lost that election in an overwhelming manner, but they still found a way to make it "legit" since they control all the institutions.

So, technically, the US did NOT kidnap a "sitting" president of an independent country. They took one of the leaders who has held the political power of my country for the past 10+ years (at least).

Perfect scenario for them to do what they did.

1. They are an illegitimate regime
2. Partner up with their 4 biggest political rivals
3. They became a major player in the world of narcoterrorism
4. Among a few other things.

I am just listing the items that directly affect the US, not diving into all the issues Venezuelan phase on a daily basis since the last 20+ years because, again, this is NOT what the US government is focusing on and they just don´t care.

But, just in case you want to know, there´s a law approved a couple of years ago where is considered a crime is I even post a Status on my whatsapp that speaks bad/negative about the goverment as it can be can be considered/interpreted as "Traicion a la patria" (treason against the homeland) and there have been Venezuelans who have been tried and imprisoned for it.

Bottom line:

1. am I happy this happend? - No
2. Is the US doing this only for the oil? - No
3. Are they legitimate protecting their own interests? - Hell yeah
4. Do I have an issue with them benefiting by reactivating the oil industry and exploiting our oil industry? - HELL NO! This is something that will benefit both. As mentioned above, this is something we have already experienced in the past with great results.

 

[t0mmy]

I am from Venezuela


Aaaaawn, thanks mate. I am fine, thankfully, the US operation was surgically focused on specific military assets like airports and ports. The attack was NOT on civilians. Also, the strike was ONLY on our nation´s capital (Caracas) and I live in Maracaibo which is the second largest city after Caracas which is 10h away.






Guys, it's a bit more complex than that.


This is spot on!

Not going to lie and say that the US is doing some philanthropic work and helping Venezuelans reach freedom, that´s just a shortsighted view and naive way of thinking.

There´s a lot of geopolitics involved.

Unfortunately, Venezuela became a massive player in the war against the "Imperialism" of the US in the Western Hemisphere for lefty countries like Cuba, China, Iran, and Russia (what a group to be part of lol).

It's not just about the drugs and oil, but it's like the "Cold War v2" right in the 21st century.

And, to be fair, the years of the most significant economic growth and prosperity in my country were the years where the US was exploiting our oil, not even close.

So, without getting into an ideological debate here, I would rather have US companies doing business with us and exploiting our natural resources than China, Cuba, Russia, or Iran.


That´s the thing, @t0mmy, Maduro didn´t win the 2024 presidential election; they stole it!

So, technically, the US did NOT kidnap a "sitting" president of an independent country. They took one of the leaders who has held the political power of my country for the past 10+ years (at least).

Perfect scenario for them to do what they did.

1. They are an illegitimate regime
2. Partner up with their 4 biggest political rivals
3. They became a major player in the world of narcoterrorism
4. Among a few other things.

I am just listing the items that directly affect the US, not diving into all the issues Venezuelan phase on a daily basis since the last 20+ years because, again, this is NOT what the US government is focusing on and they just don´t care.

But, just in case you want to know, there´s a law approved a couple of years ago where is considered a crime is I even post a Status on my whatsapp that speaks bad/negative about the goverment as it can be can be considered/interpreted as "Traicion a la patria" (treason against the homeland) and there have been Venezuelans who have been tried and imprisoned for it.

Bottom line:

1. am I happy this happend? - No
2. Is the US doing this only for the oil? - No
3. Are they legitimate protecting their own interests? - Hell yeah
4. Do I have an issue with them benefiting by reactivating the oil industry and exploiting our oil industry? - HELL NO! This is something that will benefit both. As mentioned above, this is something we have already experienced in the past with great results.

It’s good to hear this from someone there, I still stand by what I said though - America can’t just be a law on to themselves doing what they please, then cry foul when others do the same.

I’ll not get into the whole Gaza thing here, but talk about hypocrisy at it’s finest eh

 

[RogerM]

It’s good to hear this from someone there, I still stand by what I said though - America can’t just be a law on to themselves doing what they please, then cry foul when others do the same.

I’ll not get into the whole Gaza thing here, but talk about hypocrisy at it’s finest eh

I agree, I am not going to defend those guys on how they deal with other geopolitical issues as they often behave sort of like a "moral/ethical international cops" everybody needs to listen. My comments are specifically focused on my situation and the situation of my country.

This time, I support the US assistance here despite not being thrilled to have my country blast with military forced. But, nobody else was lifting a finger to help us, and even tho we outnumbered them by a lot, we lacked a clear and trusted political opposition that drives the masses and forces them out of office.

We tried this before, and we found out the hard way that they were all in the government´s pocket, playing their own game while keeping a "opposition" look to the world.

But, in the last couple of years, there has been a shift in that dynamic, and the world saw it during the 2024 presidential election, and how they stole it and remain in office.

Thanks to the US operation in the Caribbean, the world is now starting to see what´s happening with the drug (going to the US) and oil (going mainly to China and Iran) distribution.

 

[Preying Mantis]

Of course the USAss did this. I don't even have anything else to say other than this is going to open up a can of worms. I guess anyone's presidents can get taken out of their countries and charged with shit based on laws in other countries.

 

[RogerM]

Of course the USAss did this.

Nobody is denying this lol

I don't even have anything else to say

Good

other than this is going to open up a can of worms.

It is expected.

I guess anyone's presidents can get taken out of their countries and charged with shit based on laws in other countries.

I don´t know if you are talking about other geopolitical issues between the US and other countries but, when it comes to Venezuela, Maduro was not a legitimate president, and the things the US is charging him for are not "shit-based".

 

[ggmopa]

Had the people there seen this move by the US a long time coming? Seems very suddent abrupt from where i'm sitting.

There´s a lot of geopolitics involved.

Unfortunately, Venezuela became a massive player in the war against the "Imperialism" of the US in the Western Hemisphere for lefty countries like Cuba, China, Iran, and Russia (what a group to be part of lol).

I find it intriguing they've gone after Venezuela first and very specifically if that's the case though. Either I think there is a dire lack of information the world (including me) are generally given on the significance of Venezuela's role here, or it might be a way to gain a foothold from a relatively safe distance against bigger far left targets in the region like Nicaragua, which I Imagine is also a much bigger factor in the US's so-called 'war on drugs' too. In which case the operations in Venezuela could last alot longer?

 

[Dopious]

How are these situations even remotely comparable? Russia was regularly under threat of neo-nazi terrorism. Schools and hospitals in Pro-russian territories were routinely being used as 'target practice' by neo-nazi battalions of Ukraine. They even ran nazi summer camps, for lackof a better word, for children during school holidays. Article 5 would have meant a total disaster for Russia of Ukraine became a member. Of course Russia are going to try their hand and occupy it before this was allowed to occur.

And that justifies shooting and murder of civilians, fckn hell man. Bombing houses and hospitals etc, etc..