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[Champagne]

These videos are oddly satisfying to watch. However, I’ve heard that the work culture in Japan can be brutal. I wouldn’t want to trade places with them.

 

[TheVigilante]

These videos are oddly satisfying to watch. However, I’ve heard that the work culture in Japan can be brutal. I wouldn’t want to trade places with them.

Damn so work culture is brutal but they live long isn't this contradictory

 

[polecat]

karōsh this is true. No denying that. But the recent generations are bit more loose.

karōsh was more because of the social peer pressure than the actual pressure from work most times. This is what I heard when I spoke to a few

I could be wrong. But i think the ground reality will be a mix of everything.

But what still amazed me is, they are all very friendly and helpful when asked for something. Plus they walk in a straight line. You walk on the right side when going forward. Left side is left for people who walk from the other side.

They wait in traffic lights even at 3 AM when roads are empty

I am not an expert with north,south, East asia politics, or work culture. But i still think things may not be as extreme as social media portrays things. If that were the case the whole society would have collapsed. They are still organized and definitely not in a zombie way

I don't doubt some is lies or bs but when you got so much tv or articles all covering it be true.

It would make no sense for any government to lie about since it's not a good thing to be known for you also get word for community Japan refuse to work or study because of stress .

I also met a few Japanese who told it's true for why they left Japan. I also worked with few Japanese firms who told me it's pretty common in Japan.

Common knowledge Japanese nice plus Japan were heavy inspired by Prussia for how they act for walk in straight line or doing things like that.

 

[UnusualSubstance]

Am I nosy because I ask questions to posts you and others post on a forum? I'm pretty sure that's how a forum works and social media.

Here's a hint for limiting social media and forum time in 2026 don't post your social life or problems no one will ask anything to be considered nosy then.

Real af.

 

[SilverClouds]

I don't doubt some is lies or bs but when you got so much tv or articles all covering it be true.

It would make no sense for any government to lie about since it's not a good thing to be known for you also get word for community Japan refuse to work or study because of stress .

I also met a few Japanese who told it's true for why they left Japan. I also worked with few Japanese firms who told me it's pretty common in Japan.

Common knowledge Japanese nice plus Japan were heavy inspired by Prussia for how they act for walk in straight line or doing things like that.

Hell, even Poland has 10-12 hrs workdays + if you work in IT / software house you need to go to company events after work. These people aren't homeless, but then it's Poland, not Japan and they don't have medical debt. I'm appalled by how many people claim it's untrue (both here and in yt comments) and even make fun of homeless people and expect them to magically materialize a kitchen when they don't have an apartment. It's common knowledge karoshi exists, I remember reading about this years ago, I don't think there were videos by workers themselves available then. Sure japanese people also party a lot and have fun, weird fashion, these are known facts too, I'd assume these are higher up the social ladder than the homeless guy, obviously. We literally talked with our pharmacist friend from Poland couple days ago on video call and she complained so much about her 10-12 hours workdays, houndreds of patients, she of course worked on weekend as well and boss wanted her to give back money from her salary because some bitch carded the pharmacy (took a bunch of stuff, 'paid' by card, but the card was empty + she did a chargeback from empty card! Hell, I got interested, actually). So no, it's not jUsT sOmEtHiNG I sAw On SoCiAL MeDiA, I actually heard some horror stories from friends/acquaintances from Poland. I don't know any japanese people, but from these videos it seems they have it worse.

 

[SilverClouds]

Real af.

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Yes, I know you just had your 10 seconds of fame... You work at the grocery store / supermarket? Wow, what a successful person, you're literally below me on a social ladder and still have the audacity to post this shit. Mostly because you have no other success in life than posting boorish stuff on the internet. Me 'the broke version' is literally bouncing around 2 tropical islands and serviced apartment in Singapore's neighbour. Know your place.

 

[t2van]

Yes, I know you just had your 10 seconds of fame... You work at the grocery store / supermarket? Wow, what a successful person, you're literally below me on a social ladder and still have the audacity to post this shit. Mostly because you have no other success in life than posting boorish stuff on the internet. Me 'the broke version' is literally bouncing around 2 tropical islands and serviced apartment in Singapore's neighbour. Know your place.

Jebus christ.

This is where you go to?

Knocking a guy for working. Who cares where or what's he's doing.

He's got a job while he builds up his business / brand. He's literally doing what your supposed to do.

What he's doing is right. Don't mater if it's in a supermarket, cleaning toilets or whatever. If it pays the bills then so be it.

He's working towards something. You don't know his circumstances and considering your first to flame anyone who judges yours. Your a fine one to talk.

I can not belive you judged him or anyone else on that bullshit. Pathetic.

Social standings? Wtf has that got to do with anything.

Least he can format his text and use a bloody paragraph.

 

[SilverClouds]

Jebus christ.

This is where you go to?

Knocking a guy for working. Who cares where or what's he's doing.

He's got a job while he builds up his business / brand. He's literally doing what your supposed to do.

What he's doing is right. Don't mater if it's in a supermarket, cleaning toilets or whatever. If it pays the bills then so be it.

He's working towards something. You don't know his circumstances and considering your first to flame anyone who judges yours. Your a fine one to talk.

I can not belive you judged him or anyone else on that bullshit. Pathetic.

Social standings? Wtf has that got to do with anything.

Least he can format his text and use a bloody paragraph.

I ignore you again. You literally contradict yourself, first you said that people have to deserve respect but you give it out like that, for free, to a random lowlife dude that has no humility whatsoever but I always get worse treatment from you just because I exist even if I'm more successful than him. Being poor or working is no shame, but he's very rude and disrespectful. If I were shopping at the store he's working in I'd ask for his manager and tell him he treats customers like shit. I see you found your student, which is what you wanted, enjoy. Ignored, bye.

 

[UnusualSubstance]

Yes, I know you just had your 10 seconds of fame... You work at the grocery store / supermarket? Wow, what a successful person, you're literally below me on a social ladder and still have the audacity to post this shit. Mostly because you have no other success in life than posting boorish stuff on the internet. Me 'the broke version' is literally bouncing around 2 tropical islands and serviced apartment in Singapore's neighbour. Know your place.

Your ad hominems are funny though.

 

[Dopious]

Jebus christ.

She ain`t got any Jesus in her mental soul. Trash, talking shit about everyone.

 

[t2van]

I ignore you again. You literally contradict yourself, first you said that people have to deserve respect but you give it out like that, for free, to a random lowlife dude that has no humility whatsoever but I always get worse treatment from you just because I exist even if I'm more successful than him. Being poor or working is no shame, but he's very rude and disrespectful. If I were shopping at the store he's working in I'd ask for his manager and tell him he treats customers like shit. I see you found your student, which is what you wanted, enjoy. Ignored, bye.

Oh yes. Me man. Me wrong.

You woman. You cunt.

Forgot how your world works.

 

[SilverClouds]

Your ad hominems are funny though.

You inviting me to UK in the past was very funny too, you think a woman would fly over to a grocery store worker? You have huge ego but that's about it. Great match with Dopious, I have no idea where all of you get that high esteem from, nobody ever humbled you enough I guess . Your mommy told you that you're special, idk.

 

[UnusualSubstance]

You inviting me to UK in the past was very funny too, you think a woman would fly over to a grocery store worker? You have huge ego but that's about it. Great match with Dopious, I have no idea where all of you get that high esteem from, nobody ever humbled you enough I guess . Your mommy told you that you're special, idk.

When did I invite you to the UK?

But I see you are still throwing the ad hominems.

Do you know what an ad hominem is?

This is good fun:



What will silver throw at me next?

Find out next time on Office Outlaw Ball Z.

 

[t2van]

When did I invite you to the UK?

But I see you are still throwing the ad hominems.

Do you know what an ad hominem is?

This is good fun:



What will silver throw at me next?

Find out next time on Office Outlaw Ball Z.

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[indianmojojojo]

I don't doubt some is lies or bs but when you got so much tv or articles all covering it be true.

It would make no sense for any government to lie about since it's not a good thing to be known for you also get word for community Japan refuse to work or study because of stress .

I also met a few Japanese who told it's true for why they left Japan. I also worked with few Japanese firms who told me it's pretty common in Japan.

Common knowledge Japanese nice plus Japan were heavy inspired by Prussia for how they act for walk in straight line or doing things like that.

Yes I agree. But things are cooler now. The recent generations. But hustle culture and long work hours are some how an unfortunate peer pressure.


Because for me my 20s and early 30s was always 12-14 hours and 6 days a week both when I was employee and now an employer for 9 years. Only the past few years i started to cool off on the hours. I don't know how to explain this feeling. For me without work I will have incredible void and depression.

The earlier days for me when I think about it was either the competition, scarcity of opportunities and peer pressure of my classmates doing better that builds up plus had to always show we were busy. The issue with india is, it's not 12-14 hours of dedicated work unlike those countries.

But with Japan or South Korea or Taiwan from my personal experience, it's dedicated work and they even take the most basic job with pride which isn't common in India.

I saw a 7 eleven worker who was mostly 17-19 years old, take 15 minutes of time to help me find a simple vegetarian food. It wasn't required to do that but he still did that. They all take pride to do their work and the way they have hacks and convience for simplest things is something I would hustle all year to be there. This is my POV, because grass is always green on the other side.

I was similarly mislead by some people about London and Paris. They told me things changed and its become very dangerous, racist. But i have had nothing but good experience. The only change i noticed in Paris is language. Now the waiters spoke English unlike many years ago when I had to start with Jai parllez un peu aglais, vous parllez anglais sil vous plait. They are still clean and organized expect for some spots which is common for any big city.

British are one of the most friendlist and genuinely helpful people I have ever meet so far. The fellow passengers help you in loading or lifting bags. Also the humor is witty.

Next comes Japan also very friendly. They are mostly quite in the metros or public places because they want to respect another person's privacy. But when you approach them for directions they go out of the way to walk with you for 600-1000 meters which is something I can still not fanthom.

So my only doubt is, if Japanese were so stressed how are very happy/efficient with work. Because I think stress breaks a person and makes them not function properly. I know this from experience as I have had stress and depression before in my late 20s.

After typing this long post I just realised we all should be happy with what we have as grass is greener on the other side. Maybe it's time for me to count the blessings and stop trying to fantasise living there and to stop being unhappy with my home country.

 

[t2van]

Yes I agree. But things are cooler now. The recent generations. But hustle culture and long work hours are some how an unfortunate peer pressure.


Because for me my 20s and early 30s was always 12-14 hours and 6 days a week both when I was employee and now an employer for 9 years. Only the past few years i started to cool off on the hours. I don't know how to explain this feeling. For me without work I will have incredible void and depression.

The earlier days for me when I think about it was either the competition, scarcity of opportunities and peer pressure of my classmates doing better that builds up plus had to always show we were busy. The issue with india is, it's not 12-14 hours of dedicated work unlike those countries.

But with Japan or South Korea or Taiwan from my personal experience, it's dedicated work and they even take the most basic job with pride which isn't common in India.

I saw a 7 eleven worker who was mostly 17-19 years old, take 15 minutes of time to help me find a simple vegetarian food. It wasn't required to do that but he still did that. They all take pride to do their work and the way they have hacks and convience for simplest things is something I would hustle all year to be there. This is my POV, because grass is always green on the other side.

I was similarly mislead by some people about London and Paris. They told me things changed and its become very dangerous, racist. But i have had nothing but good experience. The only change i noticed in Paris is language. Now the waiters spoke English unlike many years ago when I had to start with Jai parllez un peu aglais, vous parllez anglais sil vous plait. They are still clean and organized expect for some spots which is common for any big city.

British are one of the most friendlist and genuinely helpful people I have ever meet so far. The fellow passengers help you in loading or lifting bags. Also the humor is witty.

Next comes Japan also very friendly. They are mostly quite in the metros or public places because they want to respect another person's privacy. But when you approach them for directions they go out of the way to walk with you for 600-1000 meters which is something I can still not fanthom.

So my only doubt is, if Japanese were so stressed how are very happy/efficient with work. Because I think stress breaks a person and makes them not function properly. I know this from experience as I have had stress and depression before in my late 20s.

After typing this long post I just realised we all should be happy with what we have as grass is greener on the other side. Maybe it's time for me to count the blessings and stop trying to fantasise living there and to stop being unhappy with my home country.

Do you still do 12 hours or more now?

I'm guilty of that I think as business owners we all work towards something and always thinking and planning so you never really "stop"

I do try to avoid the laptop more these days tho but it hard I always think if I don't do it. My competitors are.


As for finding or counting your blessings. I suggest find something you like and really invest in that as your "zen or happy place"

For me I enjoy cooking, relaxing by a fire and drinking. So I have the best of all I can afford and made my own social or family space in the garden that has pizza oven, good seating, fire pits etc.

If I do or go nowhere else I got that. I'm Happy with that.

 

[indianmojojojo]

Do you still do 12 hours or more now?

I'm guilty of that I think as business owners we all work towards something and always thinking and planning so you never really "stop"

I do try to avoid the laptop more these days tho but it hard I always think if I don't do it. My competitors are.


As for finding or counting your blessings. I suggest find something you like and really invest in that as your "zen or happy place"

For me I enjoy cooking, relaxing by a fire and drinking. So I have the best of all I can afford and made my own social or family space in the garden that has pizza oven, good seating, fire pits etc.

If I do or go nowhere else I got that. I'm Happy with that.

I get guilty on and off when I don't hustle that much. I sometimes still work 12 hours a day. Not always though. Age caught up and I get burned out fast. So i pace it.

For me it's cooking once a week. I like experimenting stuff in the kitchen. Nothing fancy, just basic dishes with my twist. Also gardening I do. I enjoy when I take up challenges. I fully automated the water flow and had to trouble shoot multiple times as some plants were dying because of less water and some because of over watering. So basically what drives me is troubleshooting. May sound crazy but i feel I do it or achieve something easy, i get guilty

No alcohol or drugs for in 11 years i cannot handle it as I will go big and not go home when I start. So i switched to music(elvis to Ozzy) or watch a lot of movies/crime documentaries etc.

The issue for me is. When I get attached to a zen place or when I get settled in. It's time to move even if I didn't want to move, the situation is beyond my control. Plus i still live with my parents in the same building different floors. Me and wife in one floor and parents on the other.

For me getting comfortable doesn't work there is always change in surrounding or a move hahah. It's been like that since when I was a kid. So i try not getting attached. Plus recently I had 3 cats that I was very attached to die in 3 years one by one. So these days I just feed the stray cats, give them a few head scratches and not even give them name. I try floating like a paper bag as I am some what scared of attachment.

Wow it's like journaling. I am just typing out my feelings that I wouldn't tell anyone here hahah

 

[t2van]

I get guilty on and off when I don't hustle that much. I sometimes still work 12 hours a day. Not always though. Age caught up and I get burned out fast. So i pace it.

Yeah I struggle I've managed to mange my burnout a little by building up teams around me.

Still. I try to do it all. Forget I'm not 20 and then it bites me.

For me it's cooking one a week. I like experimenting stuff in the kitchen. Nothing fancy, just basic dishes with my twist. Also gardening I do. I enjoy when I take up challenges. I fully automated the water flow and had to trouble shoot many times as some plants were dying because of less water and some because of over watering. So basically what drives is troubleshooting. May sound crazy but i feel I don't do and get guilty much if it's done easily

No alcohol or drugs for in 11 years i cannot handle it as I will go big and not go home when I start. So i switched to music(elvis to Ozzy) or watch a lot of movies/crime documentaries etc.

We sound similar. Gardening. Cooking love it.

The issue for me is. When I get attached to a zen place or when I get settled in. It's time to move even if I didn't want to move, the situation is beyond my control. Plus i still live with my parents in the same building different floors. Me and wife in one floor and parents on the other.

Thought about building towards your own home or place that's yours? Even if its just a holiday location?

I'm not looking to pry. I think for me at least the thought of having to uproot like that would unsettle me.

For me getting comfortable doesn't work there is always change in surrounding or a move hahah. It's been like that since when I was a kid. So i try not getting attached. Plus recently I had 3 cats that I was very attached to die in 3 years one by one. So these days I just feed the stray cats, give them a few head scratches and not even give them name. I try floating like a paper bag as I am some what scared of attachment.

Cat man also.

We are on two new members of the family we had 3 but they all passed the rainbow bridgend now. Down to 2 and hunting for a 3rd and 4th but these will be rescues next time we think.


You could do stuff with the cats. Set up feeding or a cat sanctuary I've always thought I'd do something that crazy but I don't think I'm brave enough or that crazy mentally yet lolol

Wow it's like journaling. I am just typing out my feelings that I wouldn't tell anyone here hahah

X

 

[indianmojojojo]

Forget I'm not 20 and then it bites me.

Yes something i still cannot accept.

Thought about building towards your own home or place that's yours? Even if its just a holiday location?

Parents own the home(s), moving out was a choice I had and still have. They didn't guilt me into staying with them. My dad was a hustler too in the sense he worked and travelled for work when he was an employee and also when he became an employer. He still works 20-30 hours a week almost 70 years old now. So watching him while growing up and like any kid wanted an atta boy i started to hustle, which became a habit.

This is the reason why I travel few months a year. But i can still see that's not a viable solution in the long run. Was thinking about it earlier last week.

Also the major reason I want to stay around my parents is because I made their life hell when I was a drunk and druggie in my 20s. So i want to be a better version of myself now and try my best to be present around the house, talk to them etc.

I'm not looking to pry. I think for me at least the thought of having to uproot like that would unsettle me.

This feeling is something I would pray to never occur. As the only people am genuinely attached to are my parents, wife and my younger brother. Now probably for the last 2 years my niece who i meet atleast once a week if am in my home country.

I have no contact with extended family. Cousins meet up like once in 3-5 years.

Cat man also.

We are on two new members of the family we had 3 but they all passed the rainbow bridgend now. Down to 2 and hunting for a 3rd and 4th but these will be rescues next time we think.


You could do stuff with the cats. Set up feeding or a cat sanctuary I've always thought I'd do something that crazy but I don't think I'm brave enough or that crazy mentally yet lolol

Am a cat person. We have around 30+ stray cats that come here to our house as they please. Most of them have been collared. But we don't confine them like i how i did my pet cats earlier indoors.

They are all feed three times a day and we refill their water. Also in my office(parking and open areas) I have around 10 stray cats that come and go. Prior to this i had Persian cats and 2 abandoned foster cats that I hand feed since they were 1 week old kittens. So i was basically attached to them and I was like their mother mixing the milk power and feeding them in a small syringe, giving them the initial supplements to replace the actual milk they would have otherwise received from their mother(cat) if she was alive. Loosing them one by one was something that I didn't expect. One got killed by stray dogs, one died of cancer(less than 2 weeks he passed away after the scan results) and other died in an unexpected accident. So i wasn't mentally prepared.

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But i think if I start to work out more and do 1-3 hours of daily walks i should be okay. I think that would help and keep me grounded.

 

[Steve]

The arguing needs to stop now. Instead of anyone resorting to personal attacks or anything bordering discriminatory comments (classism is a type of discrimination btw), people that do not get along should actually make use of the block function and ignore each other.

No notices are being given now but if threads devolve into arguing and no one is making an effort to back away from a situation before insulting and being aggressive with people then mods and admins won't have any choice but to close it. which is what will happen here if this continues.

Attacking people based off of their nationality is not acceptable already, and also "classism" will shortly be added to rule 2.6 as a form of discrimination and notices will be handed out for that in the future.

Cheers